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Author: Garry SmithGarry Smith Date: Dec 10, 2007 01:09
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> First impressions of the Thameslink platforms at St Pancras which
> opened on time this morning (after what must have been a massive
> tidy-up operation).
I have to confess that I hadn't appreciated how far I'd have to
walk between the new station and the Underground. Being used
to nipping between KX TL and the Victoria Line, this morning's
hike - up out of the new station, then along the full length of
St P, and then back down to the Tube - came as an unpleasant
surprise.
For those whom it suits, Farringdon, Blackfriars, or even Kentish
Town may be a better interchange.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Dec 10, 2007 01:41
On 10 Dec, 09:09, "Garry Smith" caleyjag.demon.co.uk> wrote:>> First impressions of the Thameslink platforms at St Pancras which
>> opened on time this morning (after what must have been a massive
>> tidy-up operation).
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> I have to confess that I hadn't appreciated how far I'd have to
> walk between the new station and the Underground. Being used
> to nipping between KX TL and the Victoria Line, this morning's
> hike - up out of the new station, then along the full length of
> St P, and then back down to the Tube - came as an unpleasant
> surprise.
>
> For those whom it suits, Farringdon, Blackfriars, or even Kentish
> Town may be a better interchange. ...
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Author: MiguelitoMiguelito Date: Dec 10, 2007 03:01
On 10 Dec, 09:41, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:> On 10 Dec, 09:09, "Garry Smith" caleyjag.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> "Peter Lawrence" ntlworld.com> wrote in message>
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>>> First impressions of the Thameslink platforms at St Pancras which
>>> opened on time this morning (after what must have been a massive
>>> tidy-up operation).
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>> I have to confess that I hadn't appreciated how far I'd have to
>> walk between the new station and the Underground. Being used
>> to nipping between KX TL and the Victoria Line, this morning's
>> hike - up out of the new station, then along the full length of
>> St P, and then back down to the Tube - came as an unpleasant ...
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Dec 10, 2007 05:59
In message <5s4e1rF165df3U1@ mid.individual.net>, at 09:09:14 on Mon, 10
Dec 2007, Garry Smith caleyjag.demon.co.uk> remarked:>>
>> First impressions of the Thameslink platforms at St Pancras which
>> opened on time this morning (after what must have been a massive
>> tidy-up operation).
>
>I have to confess that I hadn't appreciated how far I'd have to
>walk between the new station and the Underground. Being used
>to nipping between KX TL and the Victoria Line, this morning's
>hike - up out of the new station, then along the full length of
>St P, and then back down to the Tube - came as an unpleasant
>surprise.
Sheesh! We MML passengers have been complaining about the huge distances
involved for *years* now :(
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Author: Garry SmithGarry Smith Date: Dec 10, 2007 07:07
"Roland Perry" perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:51sUEJjyYUXHFAr7@perry.co.uk...> In message <5s4e1rF165df3U1@ mid.individual.net>, at 09:09:14 on Mon, 10
> Dec 2007, Garry Smith caleyjag.demon.co.uk> remarked:>>
>>I have to confess that I hadn't appreciated how far I'd have to
>>walk between the new station and the Underground. Being used
>>to nipping between KX TL and the Victoria Line, this morning's
>>hike - up out of the new station, then along the full length of
>>St P, and then back down to the Tube - came as an unpleasant
>>surprise.
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> Sheesh! We MML passengers have been complaining about the huge distances
> involved for *years* now :(
Presumably the TOCs are quite happy with this. :-)
Passengers have to walk further every day.
Passengers get thinner and fitter.
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Author: hounslow3hounslow3 Date: Dec 10, 2007 12:23
> I suspect there will be many other commuters today who will similarly
> find the location of the new station's to be an unpleasant surprise
> when it comes to interchange with the deep-level tube lines.
I heard such comments as I visited the station today, such as one guy saying
on his mobile that it will be an extra 10-minutes to get to the station.
The comments and the mood on the platform were similar. Personally speaking,
I can't say that I blame them.
A few questions:
a) What is that tunnel to that veers left, just north of the platform?
b) I noticed that one train had Southern markings on it. Why
c) I saw a 317 pull into the station. Where would that train have come from
and why would it be operating on Thameslink? I thought that they would
exclusively run 319s.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Dec 10, 2007 12:40
>> I suspect there will be many other commuters today who will similarly
>> find the location of the new station's to be an unpleasant surprise
>> when it comes to interchange with the deep-level tube lines.
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> I heard such comments as I visited the station today, such as one guy
> saying on his mobile that it will be an extra 10-minutes to get to the
> station.
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> The comments and the mood on the platform were similar. Personally
> speaking, I can't say that I blame them.
>
> A few questions:
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> a) What is that tunnel to that veers left, just north of the platform? ...
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Dec 10, 2007 12:38
In message fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, at 20:23:43
on Mon, 10 Dec 2007, hounslow3@yahoo.com remarked:>> I suspect there will be many other commuters today who will similarly
>> find the location of the new station's to be an unpleasant surprise
>> when it comes to interchange with the deep-level tube lines.
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>I heard such comments as I visited the station today, such as one guy saying
>on his mobile that it will be an extra 10-minutes to get to the station.
That's a slight exaggeration. But 5 minutes isn't.
>The comments and the mood on the platform were similar. Personally speaking,
>I can't say that I blame them.
As I say, join the MML-ers club.
>A few questions:
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>a) What is that tunnel to that veers left, just north of the platform?
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Author: hounslow3hounslow3 Date: Dec 10, 2007 12:54
"Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>> c) I saw a 317 pull into the station. Where would that train have come
>> from and why would it be operating on Thameslink? I thought that they
>> would exclusively run 319s.
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> Moorgate, but don't know the details of how and why.
I thought that FCC would run be running 317s out of the other terminal at
Moorgate, via Finsbury Park and Welwyn Garden City.
BTW, are those 317s equipped with tripcocks?
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Author: Jonathan MortonJonathan Morton Date: Dec 10, 2007 14:15
> On 10 Dec, 20:54, yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Moorgate, but don't know the details of how and why.
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> The 317s (or at least some of them)...
All of them...
> ...were built for the pre-Thameslink
> electric service to Moorgate, and FCC have borrowed some back to use
> some in this role to free up 319s. 317s don't have third rail pickups,
> so they can't run south over the main route.
The 317s were very advanced trains for their time. They were the first
trains to have retention bogs, for the underground section to Moorgate [1].
The need for this was accentuated by the tight clearances, which
necessitated slab track and results in the distinctive roaring noise on the
curves north of KXTL. I remember seeing a photo of the gauge clearance tests
they did with a few inches of polystyrene on the outside of two trains which
they positioned at the pinch points on the curves - it was very tight.
[1] I believe some genius actually removed these later.
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