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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Nov 6, 2007 00:57
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The opening will happen this evening (not least because Bettie is a
bit tied up giving a speech at some riverside club house during the
day).
I managed to have a quick look inside and around St P yesterday
lunchtime (whilst waiting at KX for someone who, courtesy of an inept
communications breakdown, wasn't on the train they should've been on -
grrr!).
I see now that the Midland mainline platform-level concourse and
platforms offer a pretty good view across the whole Barlow trainshed
now that the hoardings have largely come down and been replaced with
glass walls. The roof is splendid, lots of light coming through so
quite a change from the dingy St P of old.
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Author: PhilDPhilD Date: Nov 6, 2007 01:29
On 6 Nov, 08:57, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:> One is that the Midland mainline platforms are OHLE wired. I guess
> this is very old news but I hadn't realised that would be the case. Is
> this provision for Thameslink trains, just in case they need to
> terminate here rather than travel on through the low-level platforms
> and then through central London?
Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station,
normally only used when the tunnels are shut.
PhilD
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Author: R.C. PayneR.C. Payne Date: Nov 6, 2007 02:26
Mizter T wrote:
> Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station
> appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor
> the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out
> what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street
> signs around the station rather than on the station itself.
>
My memory (faulty?) is that all the Network Rail run London stations
have a logo associated with them. Is this the logo you have seen?
Robin
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Author: NathanNathan Date: Nov 6, 2007 02:33
> Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station,
> normally only used when the tunnels are shut.
>
FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be
maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC
drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the
trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008 and where they will go in the
meantime if anything closes central london. I know its not ideal but Kentish
Town is more than likely the answer as you can use Platforms 3 and 4 to
terminate in when there is through-london running and in the event of a
total london block you can use all four platforms to terminate in. This
would be more capacity than St. P as there is only 4 platforms to share with
MML who have amazingly long turn-around times.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Nov 6, 2007 02:38
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> The other is that the surrounding roads are now open as of Saturday
> 3rd November (so the sign said). As far as I could see (but I may have
> got it wrong) Pancras Road is fully open for two-way traffic all the
> way from Euston Road up to the Goods Way / Camley Street junction, and
> Midland Road is open for one-way southbound traffic into Euston Road.
> The taxi rank is now on Midland Road, and that's now the taxi drop-off
> point as well (as opposed to the old location on Pancras Road).
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Nov 6, 2007 02:47
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>> Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station,
>> normally only used when the tunnels are shut.
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> FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be
> maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC
> drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all
> the trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008...
There are very regular closures of the Thameslink route from the new year
onwards, IIRC from FCC publicity, some trains will be reversing at St
Pancras International (formerly Midland Rd).
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Nov 6, 2007 02:54
> Mizter T wrote:
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>> Oh, and last thing - unless I've got this one wrong St Pancras station
>> appears to have it's own logo - which is neither the Eurostar logo nor
>> the HS1 logo - it's black and white and I couldn't really work out
>> what it was supposed to depict but I could only find it on street
>> signs around the station rather than on the station itself.
>>
>
> My memory (faulty?) is that all the Network Rail run London stations have
> a logo associated with them. Is this the logo you have seen?
>
That was my thought initially, someone's posted a link to those logos in the
past, but at the moment St Pancras isn't run by NR. Was it before the
rebuild, or did MML run it like the other 'minor' stations such as
Marylebone (Chiltern) and Fenchurch St (c2c)?
Paul
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Author: PhilDPhilD Date: Nov 6, 2007 03:15
On 6 Nov, 10:54, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:> That was my thought initially, someone's posted a link to those logos in the
> past, but at the moment St Pancras isn't run by NR. Was it before the
> rebuild, or did MML run it like the other 'minor' stations such as
> Marylebone (Chiltern) and Fenchurch St (c2c)?
St Pancras (the entire current complex) has, for a very long time,
been run by London & Continental (I don't know for certain who will
run the low level platforms). Midland MainLine's station licence for
St Pancras expired on 6th June 2000.
PhilD
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Author: PhilDPhilD Date: Nov 6, 2007 03:21
On 6 Nov, 11:15, PhilD yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> St Pancras (the entire current complex) has, for a very long time,
> been run by London & Continental (I don't know for certain who will
> run the low level platforms). Midland MainLine's station licence for
> St Pancras expired on 6th June 2000.
(Sorry, I forgot to add...)
The ORR website has MML and Thameslink as access beneficiaries of
L&C's St Pancras station, but L&C does not appear to be a station
licence holder.
PhilD
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Author: R.C. PayneR.C. Payne Date: Nov 6, 2007 03:46
Nathan wrote:
>>Yes, FCC (as it is now) has access rights to St Pancras station,
>>normally only used when the tunnels are shut.
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>
> FCC may have station rights but, i'm told, FCC drivers will not be
> maintaining route knowledge into St.P so in a very short time all FCC
> drivers will not be able to go in there. You do have to wonder where all the
> trains will go when Moorgate is closed in 2008 and where they will go in the
> meantime if anything closes central london. I know its not ideal but Kentish
> Town is more than likely the answer as you can use Platforms 3 and 4 to
> terminate in when there is through-london running and in the event of a
> total london block you can use all four platforms to terminate in. This
> would be more capacity than St. P as there is only 4 platforms...
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