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OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Apr 11, 2008 04:32

(well, it's only Off Topic for uk.railway, very much On Topic for
uk.transport.london, but as I'm x-posting this...)

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7342263.stm>

A few choice quotes...

"British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.
[...]
No date in June has yet been given for the move.

The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.
[...]
Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Apr 11, 2008 04:37

In message
b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, at
04:32:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T gmail.com> remarked:
>The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
>had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the Olympics.
--
Roland Perry
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Apr 11, 2008 05:05

On 11 Apr, 12:37, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, at
> 04:32:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
>>had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.
>
> Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
> redevelopment, which is due to finish for the Olympics.

Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
third runway at Heathrow...
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Apr 11, 2008 05:40

In message
<6a42f9ed-db24-4b47-8870-d84e9ec4d2c2@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, at
05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T gmail.com> remarked:
>>>The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
>>>had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.
>>
>> Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
>> redevelopment, which is due to finish for the Olympics.
>
>Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
>build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
>Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
>makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
>third runway at Heathrow...
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Bryan Flint
Date: Apr 11, 2008 05:54

"Roland Perry" perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:EzdWZDn3w1$HFA9v@perry.co.uk...
> In message
> <6a42f9ed-db24-4b47-8870-d84e9ec4d2c2@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, at
> 05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
>>>>had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.
>>>
>>> Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
>>> redevelopment, which is due to finish for the Olympics.
>>
>>Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
>>build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
>>Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
>>makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
>>third runway at Heathrow...
>
> Upgrading the terminals for the current runways is actually running
> against the need for a new runway. Capacity (in terms of passenger
> numbers) is set to increase because of larger planes, not more runway ...
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Apr 11, 2008 06:24

On 11 Apr, 13:54, "Bryan Flint" msn.com> wrote:
> "Roland Perry" perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message
>> <6a42f9ed-db24-4b47-8870-d84e9ec4d...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, at
>> 05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T gmail.com...
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: allan tracy
Date: Apr 11, 2008 07:19

>
> "British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
> Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.
>
> Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."
>

Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

What remains of all those loyal BA customers from places like
Manchester and Edinburgh that use Heathrow to connect into long haul
will have to switch to the foreign airlines now, just like those of us
from Birmingham did years ago.

From Birmingham thanks to SAS, KLM, Lufthansa and Air France you can
fly anywhere through their hubs not to mention the many long haul
direct flights now offered by the likes of Emirates and Continental.

The same is true for Manchester only more so - Cathy Pacific, for
example.
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: John B
Date: Apr 11, 2008 08:06

On 11 Apr, 15:19, allan tracy hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
>> Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.
>
>> Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."
>
> Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
> flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
> that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

Eh? Pre-T5, nearly all BA short-haul went out of T1 and nearly all
long-haul went out of T4.

Until June, nearly all short-haul will go out of T5 and nearly all
long-haul will go out of T4.

That's *exactly the same as it's been for the last 15 years*. It just
hasn't got better quite as soon as it was supposed to...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Apr 11, 2008 08:30

In message
<5e80e2a2-d6b4-42e3-bbdc-aeb840561031@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, at
07:19:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, allan tracy hotmail.com>
remarked:
>>
>> "British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
>> Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.
>>
>> Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."
>>
>Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
>flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
>that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

And this is, of course, why BA couldn't have moved flights piecemeal
across to T5, to ramp it up slowly, as some have suggested. It makes a
mockery of predicting transfer times.
>What remains of all those loyal BA customers from places like
>Manchester and Edinburgh that use Heathrow to connect into long haul
>will have to switch to the foreign airlines now,
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Re: OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Apr 11, 2008 08:33

In message
<35fc5196-8502-4940-90c9-e9ca9b61df84@q10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, at
08:06:49 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, John B johnband.org> remarked:
>> Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
>> flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
>> that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.
>
>Eh? Pre-T5, nearly all BA short-haul went out of T1 and nearly all
>long-haul went out of T4.
>
>Until June, nearly all short-haul will go out of T5 and nearly all
>long-haul will go out of T4.
>
>That's *exactly the same as it's been for the last 15 years*. It just
>hasn't got better quite as soon as it was supposed to...
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