> John B wrote:

>> asdf wrote:

>>> The plans are for the current (self-contained) WLL service to be
>>> replaced with through running from the NLL (Stratford to Clapham
>>> Junction), so it wouldn't be possible to use a different type of stock
>>> just for the WLL. The Euston to Watford service will be axed
>>> completely, but this only uses something like 4 of the 23 313 units.
>>>
>>> It seems apparent to me from the figures that the proposed doubling of
>>> the frequency on the WLL and NLL (and the reopening of the Queens Park
>>> - Camden Road route) will be achieved simply by running the 376s in
>>> addition to the 313s, rather than the 376s replacing the 313s. The
>>> options in the contract would then allow the 313s to be replaced at a
>>> later date with a subsequent build of 376s.

>>
>> Yehbutnobut.
>>
>> As far as I can tell (certainly according to NR's RUS -
>> http://tinyurl.com/hbkhq ), the medium-term plan to take effect by 2009
>> when these trains are introduced is for:
>>
>> Stratford -> Richmond x 4
>> Stratford -> QP x 2
>> Barking -> Clapham x 2
>> Barking -> Gospel Oak x 2
>> Watford -> Croydon (via Clapham) x 1
>> Shepherds Bush -> Croydon (via Clapham) x 1
>>
>> This is the same frequency as at present on Stratford to Richmond.

> (snip)
>
> The information coming out of various transport orifices regarding the
> future "Orbirail" service patterns is a bit of a mess. The most recent
> TfL plan prior to the publication of NR's RUS was relatively simple. THe
> first phase was:
>
> 4tph Stratford to Richmond
> 4tph CJ to Stratford
> 2tph Gospel Oak to Barking.
>
> However, NR's RUS now says that TfL's proposal (service variant SLC2 for
> implementation in Jan 2011) is the rather bewildering:
>
> 4tph Stratford to Richmond
> 2tph Gospel Oak to Barking
> 2tph CJ to Willesden Jcn
> 2tph CJ to Barking
> 4tph Caledonian Rd to Stratford
> and a possible 4tph Caledonian Rd to Dalston "ELL precursor" (what
> purpose that would serve, I have no idea - they don't even say whether
> that's supposed to be to Kingsland or Junction, and if it's to Junction,
> why not just run the proper ELL service?)
>
> Compare that the NR's medium-term proposal; the TfL one offers the
> Queen's Park services only as far as Caledonian Road, and offers a
> better service on the WLL (4tph exclusive of any Southern services,
> rather than inclusive in the NR proposal).