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Author: Jack TaylorJack Taylor Date: Feb 21, 2008 13:46
The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Feb 22, 2008 05:34
On 21 Feb, 21:46, "Jack Taylor" Carney.co.uk> wrote:> The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
> at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
> fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
> liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
> the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
> couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
Wheres John Band to argue that deep down they're just misunderstood
artists wot 'ave a golden 'art an all luv their mums....
Isnt LU in charge of barbican station, not FCC? Perhaps it was just a
message to the idiot kids that their mess will just be painted over in
minutes rather than someone spending half an hour trying to remove it
(not always successfully) so theres no point bothering as no one will
get to see it.
B2003
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Feb 22, 2008 06:31
On 22 Feb, 13:34, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> On 21 Feb, 21:46, "Jack Taylor" Carney.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
>> at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
>> fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
>> liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
>> the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
>> couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
>
> Wheres John Band to argue that deep down they're just misunderstood
> artists wot 'ave a golden 'art an all luv their mums....
No one who changes someone else's design (even just a brick wall)
without permission is an artist.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Feb 22, 2008 07:07
On 22 Feb, 13:34, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> On 21 Feb, 21:46, "Jack Taylor" Carney.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
>> at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
>> fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
>> liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
>> the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
>> couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
>
> Wheres John Band to argue that deep down they're just misunderstood
> artists wot 'ave a golden 'art an all luv their mums....
>
Well come on, you're hardly acting your part in this either - where's
the call for all potentially graffiti-able walls to be wired up to the
national grid, the subsequent frying being videotaped and made
available for all the maladjusted freaks of the internet to view at
their twisted pleasure?
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Author: John BJohn B Date: Feb 22, 2008 07:13
On 22 Feb, 14:31, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:>>> The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
>>> at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
>>> fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
>>> liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
>>> the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
>>> couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
>
>> Wheres John Band to argue that deep down they're just misunderstood
>> artists wot 'ave a golden 'art an all luv their mums....
*Whatever*. Banksy's work /is/ art; if you can't appreciate that
you're a fuckwit. Tox06 is a mindless vandal with no artistic merit at
all.
Most grafitiists lean towards the Tox06 model than the Banksy model,
but not all. And even the Tox06-ists are hardly up there with brick-
throwers and knife-wielding thugs in the whole "really bad people it's
worth getting upset about and throwing in jail for ages" stakes.
> No one who changes someone else's design (even just a brick wall)
> without permission is an artist.
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Feb 22, 2008 07:43
On 22 Feb, 15:13, John B johnband.org> wrote:> On 22 Feb, 14:31, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> The little tossers were recently active on the westbound FCC platform walls
>>>> at Barbican, tagging the brickwork again. Bad in itself - but TPTB have seen
>>>> fit to remove the "artwork", not with a high-pressure hose but with a
>>>> liberal application of cream paint, which looks equally as bad. Considering
>>>> the fine brick retaining walls at the station, it's a shame that the job
>>>> couldn't have been done with a little more sympathy. It looks bloody awful!
>
>>> Wheres John Band to argue that deep down they're just misunderstood
>>> artists wot 'ave a golden 'art an all luv their mums....
>
> *Whatever*. Banksy's work /is/ art; if you can't appreciate that
> you're a fuckwit. Tox06 is a mindless vandal with no artistic merit at
> all.
>
> Most grafitiists lean towards the Tox06 model than the Banksy model,
> but not all. And even the Tox06-ists are hardly up there with brick-
> throwers and knife-wielding thugs in the whole "really bad people it's ...
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Author: John BJohn B Date: Feb 22, 2008 07:57
On 22 Feb, 15:43, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:> I wasn't aware that he painted over a load of existing soup tins with
> his own design. I am talking about someone changing a specific wall/
> train/painting/whatever that someone has designed, however badly in
> one's opinion.
Sorry, misunderstood. Does that apply to prints as well, or just
originals?
> If I don't like the Mona Lisa and paint a moustache on it without
> permission, I am imposing something on someone else's design when I
> have no business to do so.
So you're not a fan of the Chapmans, then?
http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/turnerprize/2003/chapman.htm
[I still don't really see where you're coming from here - it seems
you're conflating artistic merit and morality, which can't be right.
Even if the paint in the Mona Lisa were made from the blood of
children Da Vinci had murdered, it would still be an artwork and he an
artist - he'd just *also* be a child-murderer. Or, to put it less
sensationally, what if he'd nicked a lesser artist's painting and used
it as the canvass for the the Mona Lisa?]
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Feb 22, 2008 08:14
On 22 Feb, 15:57, John B johnband.org> wrote:> On 22 Feb, 15:43, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I wasn't aware that he painted over a load of existing soup tins with
>> his own design. I am talking about someone changing a specific wall/
>> train/painting/whatever that someone has designed, however badly in
>> one's opinion.
>
> Sorry, misunderstood. Does that apply to prints as well, or just
> originals?
Hmm. I suppose not, depending on whether one is thinking of the
original work or the displaying of it in a particular way by someone
who has purchased it.
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Author: John BJohn B Date: Feb 22, 2008 08:52
On 22 Feb, 16:14, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:> Really, I'm just trying to get at the idea that the objection to
> graffiti that makes it "vandalism" need not be influenced by the
> artistic merit.
I'd agree 100%% with that. While I'd be very pleased if someone painted
a Banksy-type-and-quality work on my property, not everyone has the
same viewpoint (and Banksy himself generally targets derelict/decrepit
walls, rather than causing thousands of pounds' worth of damage to
expensive kit he doesn't own).
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Feb 22, 2008 09:23
On 22 Feb, 15:57, John B johnband.org> wrote:
Ah , looks like a choice selection of the standard contemporary
"artists" fallback of making something to shock, to hide the fact that
they don't actually have any discernable talent.
B2003
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