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North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Mr Thant
Date: Jul 4, 2007 07:16

TfL have announced a follow on order for Electrostars, mainly for 4th
cars for their North London Railway fleet:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/5432.aspx

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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: Jul 6, 2007 01:24

"Jack Taylor" Carney.co.uk> wrote in message
news:GKeji.30664$KE1.14484@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance, but what signaling problems would affect the use
>> of SDO, such as not releasing the doors in the rear coach?
>
> Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that, was I? Willesden Junction will only
> hold three cars. With four car units it would not be possible to pull
> forward such that the inner sets of doors in the leading and trailing
> cars were at the platform and the other sets cut out because of the
> position of the station starting signal at the end of the platform. Either
> that would need to be relocated or otherwise both sets of doors on the
> rear car would have to be cut out (as that would be off the platform) -
> not very desirable or...
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Mojo
Date: Jul 6, 2007 04:35

> Doesn't SDO require the guard and driver to be able to get out onto the
> platform, so having the front car off the platform may not be an acceptable
> solution even if the signal could be moved.

I was under the Impression
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Mojo
Date: Jul 6, 2007 04:37

> Doesn't SDO require the guard and driver to be able to get out onto the
> platform, so having the front car off the platform may not be an acceptable
> solution even if the signal could be moved.

I was under the impression that they were planning to get rid of guards
on the NLL. Although that wouldn't help the driver, might certaintly help.

I'm guessing rules on LU are different, as there's a station on the
Northern Line IIRC where the front set of doors are not opened.
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: Jul 6, 2007 04:48

"Mojo" SPAMTRAPgooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:6Qpji.129205$hj5.1240@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Doesn't SDO require the guard and driver to be able to get out onto the
>> platform, so having the front car off the platform may not be an
>> acceptable solution even if the signal could be moved.
>
> I was under the impression that they were planning to get rid of guards on
> the NLL. Although that wouldn't help the driver, might certaintly help.
>
> I'm guessing rules on LU are different, as there's a station on the
> Northern Line IIRC where the front set of doors are not opened.

I think the key thing is that new operations have to conform to current
rules. I think the end door stuff on the Northern line goes back quite a
while. Is the cab beyond the platform end, or is their one of those narrow
walkways for the driver, beyond the public area of the platform?
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Matt Forbes
Date: Jul 6, 2007 06:22

> If the Goblin diesel fleet takes over the WLL service, and the
> Bakerloo takes over the Watford DC, there should be a surplus of 378s
> for the NLL.

If the Bakerloo does take over running between Harrow & Wealdstone and
Watford Junction, what would happen to the Queen's Park to Euston DC
section? Would this become a self-contained shuttle, would Bakerloo
trains run into the LMR terminus, or would the service simply be
abandoned?

M
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: Jul 6, 2007 06:30

"Matt Forbes" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183728144.207482.210590@g13g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> If the Goblin diesel fleet takes over the WLL service, and the
>> Bakerloo takes over the Watford DC, there should be a surplus of 378s
>> for the NLL.
>
> If the Bakerloo does take over running between Harrow & Wealdstone and
> Watford Junction, what would happen to the Queen's Park to Euston DC
> section? Would this become a self-contained shuttle, would Bakerloo
> trains run into the LMR terminus, or would the service simply be
> abandoned?
>

Trains would run from Queens Park through Kilburn High Road, South
Hampstead, and then divert through Primrose Hill tunnel to Camden Rd, and
thence to Stratford. There is a disused station at Primrose Hill that could
be opened too.

Paul
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Matt Forbes
Date: Jul 6, 2007 07:15

> Trains would run from Queens Park through Kilburn High Road, South
> Hampstead, and then divert through Primrose Hill tunnel to Camden Rd, and
> thence to Stratford. There is a disused station at Primrose Hill that could
> be opened too.

Would this mean that Euston loses the DC service, or will the
infrastructure be able to cope with the current EUS-WAT services, as
well as services through Primrose Hill etc.?

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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: Jul 6, 2007 07:20

"Matt Forbes" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183731304.909961.203850@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Trains would run from Queens Park through Kilburn High Road, South
>> Hampstead, and then divert through Primrose Hill tunnel to Camden Rd, and
>> thence to Stratford. There is a disused station at Primrose Hill that
>> could
>> be opened too.
>
> Would this mean that Euston loses the DC service, or will the
> infrastructure be able to cope with the current EUS-WAT services, as
> well as services through Primrose Hill etc.?
>

I think the various bits of TfL info on the www suggests there will be no
service into Euston on the DC lines - whether or not the third rail is
retained for diversions etc is another question of course.

Paul
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Re: North London Line goes 4-car in early 2011         


Author: asdf
Date: Jul 6, 2007 09:08

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:00:54 GMT, Jack Taylor wrote:
>> Pardon my ignorance, but what signaling problems would affect the use
>> of SDO, such as not releasing the doors in the rear coach?
>
>Sorry, I wasn't very clear on that, was I? Willesden Junction will only hold
>three cars.

...in the eastbound direction. The westbound platform is long enough
for 4 cars.
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