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Date: Aug 10, 2007 17:22
In message bt.com>, Ryan
writes
>I have been reading the TFL website to see which tube lines I can take a
>bicycle on.
>
>I can fully understand the sections that you CANNOT use but one seems odd to
>me.
>
>You can travel with a bicycle from Edgware to Colindale and Hendon Central
>to Golders Green.
>
>Why can't I travel all the way through? Ok it is a tunnelled section but
>their are NO stations in between.
>
>Any clues??
Aye, it's the carrying of cycles though tube tunnels that is banned by
the Railway Inspectorate (or whatever they're called these days).
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Aug 11, 2007 08:20
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:22:32 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>Aye, it's the carrying of cycles though tube tunnels that is banned by
>the Railway Inspectorate (or whatever they're called these days).
Best not tell Merseyrail, then - or is it because the Tube trains
themselves might need to be evacuated from the ends, and a Class 508
unit has a lot more space to get a bike out of the way than a Tube
train?
Neil
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Author: Richard J.Richard J. Date: Aug 11, 2007 09:11
Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:22:32 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
> 127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>>> Aye, it's the carrying of cycles though tube tunnels that is banned
>> by the Railway Inspectorate (or whatever they're called these days).
>
> Best not tell Merseyrail, then - or is it because the Tube trains
> themselves might need to be evacuated from the ends, and a Class 508
> unit has a lot more space to get a bike out of the way than a Tube
> train?
In particular, a bike at one of the car ends on a Tube train, where there
are single sliding doors and restricted space, would impede access to the
end doors for evacuation. Class 508 has only double sliding doors.
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Author: Tom AndersonTom Anderson Date: Aug 12, 2007 11:02
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Richard J. wrote:
> Neil Williams wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:22:32 +0100, Steve Fitzgerald
>> 127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>>>>> Aye, it's the carrying of cycles though tube tunnels that is banned by
>>> the Railway Inspectorate (or whatever they're called these days).
>>
>> Best not tell Merseyrail, then - or is it because the Tube trains
>> themselves might need to be evacuated from the ends, and a Class 508
>> unit has a lot more space to get a bike out of the way than a Tube
>> train?
>
> In particular, a bike at one of the car ends on a Tube train, where
> there are single sliding doors and restricted space, would impede access
> to the end doors for evacuation. Class 508 has only double sliding
> doors.
Does that mean that if tube trains only had double doors, they could carry
bikes?
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Date: Aug 12, 2007 12:08
In message , Tom
Anderson writes
>> In particular, a bike at one of the car ends on a Tube train, where
>>there are single sliding doors and restricted space, would impede
>>access to the end doors for evacuation. Class 508 has only double
>>sliding doors.
>
>Does that mean that if tube trains only had double doors, they could
>carry bikes?
>
>I thought the bike thing was to do with the need to be able to evacuate
>out the ends. Does Merseyrail have tunnels where it's possible to go
>out the sides instead?
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Aug 12, 2007 14:10
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:02:45 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:
>I thought the bike thing was to do with the need to be able to evacuate
>out the ends. Does Merseyrail have tunnels where it's possible to go out
>the sides instead?
The Loop tunnels are fairly tight, but I imagine it would be possible
to squeeze out between the train and the tunnel walls in most places -
though I doubt that would be the official evacuation route.
It's probably because the coaches are wider and as such a bike can be
easily moved out of the way. I note that they appear to be permitted
on all sections of the (larger) sub-surface lines.
That said, thinking on bikes does vary in different locations. In
Hamburg, for instance, bikes are permitted on all public transport
including buses (you just put it in the wheelchair place and keep hold
of it) though I think in a year I only once saw someone actually do
so, as it's a bit of a rescue service as actually riding the bike
tends to be faster than bus travel anyway.
Neil
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Aug 12, 2007 14:17
"Neil Williams" pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
news:46bf7636.268282501@news.individual.net...> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:02:45 +0100, Tom Anderson
> wrote:
>
>>I thought the bike thing was to do with the need to be able to evacuate
>>out the ends. Does Merseyrail have tunnels where it's possible to go out
>>the sides instead?
>
> The Loop tunnels are fairly tight, but I imagine it would be possible
> to squeeze out between the train and the tunnel walls in most places -
> though I doubt that would be the official evacuation route.
>
> It's probably because the coaches are wider and as such a bike can be
> easily moved out of the way. I note that they appear to be permitted
> on all sections of the (larger) sub-surface lines.
>
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Aug 12, 2007 14:30
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:17:25 +0100, "Paul Scott"
btinternet.com> wrote:
>In the case of LU there is also the deep tube stations to consider,
>especially in the peaks, very few actually lend themselves to bikes being
>wheeled about the platforms and interconnecting spaces. So for consistency's
>sake and to avoid persistent debate, the odd couple of short tube tunnels
>with no stations have to be 'sacrificed'...
That's a good point. Being built in the 70s, the Merseyrail stations
are far more spacious, and also fully accessible by lift.
Neil
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Author: IainIain Date: Aug 12, 2007 23:19
> The reason I've always been given is that they would impede
> evacuation of the (tube) train in an emergency. The only was to
> evacuate a tube train in a tunnel would be through the M (driver's
> cab out to the world) and J (passenger saloon to driver's cab) doors.
> There's not a lot of room to start with and a bike or two would make
> things really difficult.
But surely it's the people that would need to be evacuated, rather than
their possessions? Couldn't (shouldn't!) the bike remain on the train,
to be hopefully collected later, especially if it was a situation
requiring a speedy, emergency evacuation.
If a Piccadilly Line train needed to be evacuated in a similar manner,
I'm sure that the enormous suitcases carried by many Heathrow passengers
would cause just as many problems if passengers tried to bring them
through the front of the train. But they're not banned from the tube!
Iain
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Author: Tom AndersonTom Anderson Date: Aug 13, 2007 03:54
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Iain wrote:
>> The reason I've always been given is that they would impede evacuation
>> of the (tube) train in an emergency. The only was to evacuate a tube
>> train in a tunnel would be through the M (driver's cab out to the
>> world) and J (passenger saloon to driver's cab) doors. There's not a
>> lot of room to start with and a bike or two would make things really
>> difficult.
>
> But surely it's the people that would need to be evacuated, rather than
> their possessions? Couldn't (shouldn't!) the bike remain on the train,
> to be hopefully collected later, especially if it was a situation
> requiring a speedy, emergency evacuation.
Yes. But getting hundreds of people along a train is easier if there
aren't bikes hanging around in the vestibules.
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