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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Sep 4, 2008 03:36
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7597062.stm
Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure of
6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
people to travel after 0930.
Mr Johnson blamed the rises on the "largesse" of previous mayor, Labour's
Ken Livingstone, accusing him of creating an
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Author: martinmartin Date: Sep 4, 2008 04:08
On Sep 4, 11:36Â am, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
wrote:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7597062.stm
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> Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure of
> 6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
> Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
> people to travel after 0930.
The press release at http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=18677
has some detail of the new fares, in an incredibly badly formatted
table.
It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.
Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be valid
after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak periods,
depending on how you're paying?
While I'd imagine tourists arriving at Heathrow in the middle of the
day will be happy about being able to save £1.60, I suspect everyone
else will be totally baffled.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Sep 4, 2008 07:05
"Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure
> of 6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
> Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
> people to travel after 0930.
> Mr Johnson blamed the rises on the "largesse" of previous mayor, Labour's
> Ken Livingstone, accusing him of creating an
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Sep 4, 2008 11:04
On Sep 4, 12:08Â pm, martin gmail.com> wrote:> On Sep 4, 11:36Â am, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure of
>> 6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
>> Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
>> people to travel after 0930.
>
> The press release athttp://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=18677
> has some detail of the new fares, in an incredibly badly formatted
> table.
>
> It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
> peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.
>
> Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be valid
> after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak periods, ...
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Sep 4, 2008 11:52
MIG wrote:
> On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin gmail.com> wrote:>> It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
>> peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.
>>
>> Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
>> valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
>> periods, depending on how you're paying?
Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Sep 4, 2008 12:17
On Sep 4, 7:52Â pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
wrote:> MIG wrote:
>> On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin gmail.com> wrote:>>> It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
>>> peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.
>
>>> Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
>>> valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
>>> periods, depending on how you're paying?
>
> Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
> suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
> 'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at £4.00 - though
> you'd have to say the press release isn't explicit enough...
>
>>> While I'd imagine tourists arriving at Heathrow in the middle of the
>>> day will be happy about being able to save £1.60, I suspect everyone
>>> else will be totally baffled.
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Author: j.p.harrisj.p.harris Date: Sep 5, 2008 00:25
On 4 Sep, 20:17, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:> On Sep 4, 7:52Â pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
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>>> MIG wrote:
>>> On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin gmail.com> wrote:>>>> It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
>>>> peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.
>
>>>> Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
>>>> valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
>>>> periods, depending on how you're paying?
>
>> Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
>> suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
>> 'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at £4.00 - though ...
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Author: David A StocksDavid A Stocks Date: Sep 5, 2008 06:25
> However, it doesn't simplify matters at all. If an afternoon peak
> applied to the off-peak one day travelcard, it would also have to
> apply to passengers travelling in from outside zone 6 (as people
> arriving in London between 4pm and 7pm wouldn't be able to travel
> beyond their terminal station). This would all but kill off any
> chance of anyone having a evening out in London if they are not
> already there.
I suspect existing paper travelcard conditions will remain largely
unchanged, unless individual operators take the FCC policy. I don't think
there is an equivalent (other than via PAYG capping) of the one day
travelcard on Oyster, so the issue won't arise there. Isn't there a
precedent for this with oyster peak charging on London Overground between
Euston and Watford? I know that for Clapham Junction to Watford there are
times when it's cheaper to buy a paper ticket from Southern (with a gold
card discount) than use PAYG.
D A Stocks
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Author: Paul WeaverPaul Weaver Date: Sep 7, 2008 10:57
On 4 Sep, 11:36, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7597062.stm
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> Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure of
> 6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
> Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
> people to travel after 0930.
Which of course is excellent news, for both 9-5ers and (typically
lower paid) shift workers. Less congestion in the rush hour as people
are encouraged to travel later in the day, and a welcome reduction in
cost for the poorest, hardest working members of society already hit
unfairly be congestion charges, petrol tax, and other government led
charges aimed at the non city community. Thankfully we have Boris,
mayor for the average hard working joe on the street.
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: Sep 8, 2008 01:55
Paul Weaver wrote:
> On 4 Sep, 11:36, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7597062.stm
>>
>> Bus and Underground fares in London are to increase by an overall figure of
>> 6%% from the New Year, London Mayor Boris Johnson has announced.
>> Some fares will be cut, including a new off-peak rate aimed at encouraging
>> people to travel after 0930. >
>
> Which of course is excellent news, for both 9-5ers and (typically
> lower paid) shift workers. Less congestion in the rush hour as people
> are encouraged to travel later in the day, and a welcome reduction in
> cost for the poorest, hardest working members of society already hit
> unfairly be congestion charges, petrol tax, and other government led
> charges aimed at the non city community...
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