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Author: Matthew DickinsonMatthew Dickinson Date: Jan 23, 2008 09:00
I note that National Rail do not recognise the existence of Zones 7 to
9.
http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM98/NFM98_Common_K.pdf
"National Rail do not issue tickets with a description of Zones 7,8,9
but use the actual station description"
Also "All Zones" means Zones 1-6 as far as National Rail are
concerned.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Jan 23, 2008 09:55
On 23 Jan, 17:00, Matthew Dickinson gmail.com>
wrote:> I note that National Rail do not recognise the existence of Zones 7 to
> 9.
>
> http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM98/NFM98_Common_K.pdf
>
> "National Rail do not issue tickets with a description of Zones 7,8,9
> but use the actual station description"
>
> Also "All Zones" means Zones 1-6 as far as National Rail are
> concerned.
I've been intending to post on this subject for a while - as you say,
an "All Zones Travelcard" as sold by National Rail doesn't quite have
the same definitive meaning it once did - in other words...
Q: When is "All Zones Travelcard" not valid in all the zones?
A: When it is sold by National Rail.
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Author: James FarrarJames Farrar Date: Jan 23, 2008 11:34
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:55:17 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
gmail.com> wrote:
>Perhaps this is TfL's fault for moving too fast, or possibly ATOCs
>fault for being too stuck in the mud.
Probably the latter, going off past experiences (admittedly a few
years ago now). The train companies in general have always seemed
reluctant to implement any initiative that comes from London.
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 23, 2008 12:36
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:34:24 +0000, James Farrar
gmail.com> wrote:
>Probably the latter, going off past experiences (admittedly a few
>years ago now). The train companies in general have always seemed
>reluctant to implement any initiative that comes from London.
Because those initiatives benefit London, and not always other
passengers.
As an example, since Oyster PAYG became valid on London Midland
"mainline", the 1824 EUS-Northampton has become decidedly busier than
it was before. Presumably the PAYG users were previously using the
Bakerloo to Harrow and Wealdstone.
Neil
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Jan 23, 2008 13:11
"Neil Williams" pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
news:4797a4c8.339685718@news.individual.net...> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:34:24 +0000, James Farrar
> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Probably the latter, going off past experiences (admittedly a few
>>years ago now). The train companies in general have always seemed
>>reluctant to implement any initiative that comes from London.
>
> Because those initiatives benefit London, and not always other
> passengers.
>
> As an example, since Oyster PAYG became valid on London Midland
> "mainline", the 1824 EUS-Northampton has become decidedly busier than
> it was before. Presumably the PAYG users were previously using the
> Bakerloo to Harrow and Wealdstone.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Jan 23, 2008 13:21
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:34:24 +0000, James Farrar
>
> gmail.com> wrote:>>Probably the latter, going off past experiences (admittedly a few
>>years ago now). The train companies in general have always seemed
>>reluctant to implement any initiative that comes from London.
>
> Because those initiatives benefit London, and not always other
> passengers.
>
> As an example, since Oyster PAYG became valid on London Midland
> "mainline", the 1824 EUS-Northampton has become decidedly busier than
> it was before. Presumably the PAYG users were previously using the
> Bakerloo to Harrow and Wealdstone.
>
> Neil
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Author: AndyAndy Date: Jan 23, 2008 13:27
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:34:24 +0000, James Farrar
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> gmail.com> wrote:>>Probably the latter, going off past experiences (admittedly a few
>>years ago now). The train companies in general have always seemed
>>reluctant to implement any initiative that comes from London.
>
> Because those initiatives benefit London, and not always other
> passengers.
>
> As an example, since Oyster PAYG became valid on London Midland
> "mainline", the 1824 EUS-Northampton has become decidedly busier than
> it was before. Presumably the PAYG users were previously using the
> Bakerloo to Harrow and Wealdstone.
>
> Neil
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Author: dtrendtren Date: Jan 23, 2008 14:11
On Jan 23, 5:00 pm, Matthew Dickinson gmail.com>
wrote:> I note that National Rail do not recognise the existence of Zones 7 to
> 9.
>
> http://www.atoc.org/retail/_downloads/NFM98/NFM98_Common_K.pdf
>
> "National Rail do not issue tickets with a description of Zones 7,8,9
> but use the actual station description"
>
> Also "All Zones" means Zones 1-6 as far as National Rail are
> concerned.
National Rail don't issue an 'all zones travelcard'. The ones I've
bought have always said (I think, from memory) 'R1256' as the
destination
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 23, 2008 14:46
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:21:43 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
gmail.com> wrote:
>But Oyster PAYG has been valid on Silverlink County/London Midland
>trains between Euston and Harrow & Wealdstone for ages, indeed (I
>think) since Oyster PAYG began back in 2004.
You absolutely sure of that? Even if it was, though, it was not
publicised as such.
>Anyway, my perhaps rather blunt opinion on this is that I certainly
>don't begrudge the people of Harrow from wanting to get from central
>London in 13 minutes non-stop instead of 40 minutes (from Oxford
>Circus) all stations on the Bakerloo line.
Nor do I, but perhaps differential pricing could have kept locals on
the local services as much as possible. It works from Milton Keynes
Central off-peak.
Neil
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 23, 2008 14:47
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:31 -0800 (PST), Andy gmail.com>
wrote:
>The recent change has been the extension of PAYG to Bushey (from the
>start of the London Overground concession) and Watford Junction
>(shortly after the franchise changes). I don't see that PAYG has made
>services any busier, more likely that the services are becoming busier
>anyway, maybe due to timetable changes. Did the 18.24 always stop at
>Harrow?
Yes; there have been no significant changes to the ex-Silverlink
mainline timetable this time round, or indeed last time.
Neil
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