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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: May 14, 2008 12:38
Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
"ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
Will First never learn? In my experience, their buses in London are
some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Not a good
start.
Neil
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Author: Chris ReadChris Read Date: May 14, 2008 12:53
"Neil Williams" wrote:
> Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
> plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
> "ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
>
> Will First never learn? In my experience, their buses in London are
> some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Not a good
> start.
He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies - it's other
road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest them.
Now the election is over, I fully expect this 'new Routemaster' stuff to be
quietly shelved. This would represent the biggest U-turn
since.....well......Ken promised never to scrap the Routemaster!
Chris
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Author: MIGMIG Date: May 14, 2008 13:20
On May 14, 8:53Â pm, "Chris Read" btinternet.com> wrote:> "Neil Williams" wrote:
>> Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
>> plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
>> "ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
>
>> Will First never learn? Â In my experience, their buses in London are
>> some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Â Not a good
>> start.
>
> He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies - it's other
> road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest them.
No, he is just wrong. Most passengers don't like them either, and I
can't believe it's much fun for the drivers except if they are paid
more for coping with them.
Operators may like the idea of not having to collect fares, but that
is independent of the shape of the bus.
And don't forget pedestrians, whose crossings are constantly blocked
by them.
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Date: May 14, 2008 14:16
"Chris Read" btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:g-ydnXcXlLeC3rbVnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@bt.com> "Neil Williams" wrote:
>
>> Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
>> plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
>> "ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
>>
>> Will First never learn? In my experience, their buses in London are
>> some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Not a good
>> start.
>
> He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies -
> it's other road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest
> them.
> Now the election is over, I fully expect this 'new Routemaster' stuff
> to be quietly shelved. This would represent the biggest U-turn
> since.....well......Ken promised never...
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Author: Paul CorfieldPaul Corfield Date: May 14, 2008 14:20
>Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
>plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
>"ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
But ftr has conductors on it and nice curvy fronts and settees at the
back. Surely that makes it wonderful? I still don't understand how
First think ftr is an economically viable / profitable venture given the
staffing costs are double those of a conventional opo bus.
>Will First never learn? In my experience, their buses in London are
>some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Not a good
>start.
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: May 14, 2008 14:23
MIG wrote:
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> No, he is just wrong. Most passengers don't like them either, and I
> can't believe it's much fun for the drivers except if they are paid
> more for coping with them.
>
> Operators may like the idea of not having to collect fares, but that
> is independent of the shape of the bus.
>
> And don't forget pedestrians, whose crossings are constantly blocked
> by them.
Constantly? Where?
Personally, they're just a bloody bus, I don't detest or like them any
more than any other bus and regard the way whole furore became the only
transport issue ever debated as completely inexplicable.
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Author: Paul CorfieldPaul Corfield Date: May 14, 2008 14:28
On Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:18 -0700 (PDT), MIG
doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>On May 14, 8:53Â pm, "Chris Read" btinternet.com> wrote:>> "Neil Williams" wrote:
>>> Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
>>> plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
>>> "ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
>>
>>> Will First never learn? Â In my experience, their buses in London are
>>> some of the oldest, dirtiest and most poorly-maintained. Â Not a good
>>> start.
>>
>> He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies - it's other
>> road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest them.
>
>No, he is just wrong. Most passengers don't like them either, and I
>can't believe it's much fun for the drivers except if they are paid
>more for coping with them.
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Author: Chris ReadChris Read Date: May 14, 2008 14:48
>"MIG" wrote:
>> Chris Read wrote:
>> He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies - it's
>> other
>>road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest them.
>No, he is just wrong. Most passengers don't like them either, and I
>can't believe it's much fun for the drivers except if they are paid
>more for coping with them.
I like them, but I'm primarily a 'Red Arrow' user, for which routes they are
well suited. I haven't noticed a huge clamour to bring back the Leyland
Nationals with plastic seats.
IIRC, the drivers are paid more.
>And don't forget pedestrians, whose crossings are constantly blocked
>by them.
Hardly any drivers observe crossing courtesies in London. In my view, bendy
drivers are amongst the smoothest and most courteous of bus drivers in
London.
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Author: Tom AndersonTom Anderson Date: May 14, 2008 15:16
On Wed, 14 May 2008, MIG wrote:
> On May 14, 8:53Â pm, "Chris Read" btinternet.com> wrote:>> "Neil Williams" wrote:
>>
>>> Read in the Lite today that Moir Lockhead is warning Boris about the
>>> plan to reintroduce Routemasters - and is trying to peddle him the
>>> "ftr", which is, umm, a glorified bendy bus.
>>
>> He also said that bus passengers and operators like the bendies - it's other
>> road users (ie cabbies and cyclists, I guess) who detest them.
>
> No, he is just wrong. Most passengers don't like them either,
Surveys say otherwise.
tom
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Author: Jack TaylorJack Taylor Date: May 14, 2008 15:35
Recliner wrote:
> While we're not
> likely to get anything that resembles a good old RM (unless he
> actually gets some of them back from the scrapyard)
Whose idea was it to paint an RM in brown and silver (RM 1933 IIRC)? I saw
it today and nearly vomited!
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