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Author: KenKen Date: Nov 6, 2007 05:52
On 6 Nov, 12:57, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:> "Charles Ellson" ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:31n0j3d3oqqde04qjk2efsn5jf21tg23aa@4ax.com...
>>> Received from Oyster Customer Services:-
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>>>I am writing to inform you about the new train service managed
>>>by TFL, the London Overground. This new service starts operating from
>>>11 November 2007, when TfL takes over the running of the North
>>>London, West London, Gospel Oak to Barking and Euston/Watford
>>>Junction local lines.
>
>> I suspect the "new train service" will be the same "old train service"
>> with new vinyls for some time to come as the first mention of anything
>> substantial is new trains in 2009 in:-
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> Not even new vinyls, just removal of the 'Silverlink' name.
>
> Paul ...
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Nov 6, 2007 06:16
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> But Oyster PAYG will be accepted from Day One, throughout the
> "Overground" network, even to Watford Jct., which is a big change.
Presumably Oyster PAYG will also be accepted on Southern between Watford
Junction and Clapham Junction, and on West Midlands (ex-Silverlink County)
between Watford Junction and Euston. But is this spelt out anywhere?
Presumably, though, not on VWC between Watford Junction and Euston, in view
of the take up/set down status of stops at Watford Junction.
Peter
Peter
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Author: IanigsyIanigsy Date: Nov 6, 2007 09:45
On 6 Nov, 14:16, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:> "Ken" aol.com> wrote
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>>> But Oyster PAYG will be accepted from Day One, throughout the
>> "Overground" network, even to Watford Jct., which is a big change.
>
> Presumably Oyster PAYG will also be accepted on Southern between Watford
> Junction and Clapham Junction, and on West Midlands (ex-Silverlink County)
> between Watford Junction and Euston. But is this spelt out anywhere?
> Presumably, though, not on VWC between Watford Junction and Euston, in view
> of the take up/set down status of stops at Watford Junction.
>
> Peter
>
> Peter
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Author: IanigsyIanigsy Date: Nov 6, 2007 09:49
On 6 Nov, 17:45, Ianigsy hotmail.com> wrote:> On 6 Nov, 14:16, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:
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>>> But Oyster PAYG will be accepted from Day One, throughout the
>>> "Overground" network, even to Watford Jct., which is a big change.
>
>> Presumably Oyster PAYG will also be accepted on Southern between Watford
>> Junction and Clapham Junction, and on West Midlands (ex-Silverlink County)
>> between Watford Junction and Euston. But is this spelt out anywhere?
>> Presumably, though, not on VWC between Watford Junction and Euston, in view
>> of the take up/set down status of stops at Watford Junction.
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>> Peter
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>> Peter
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Author: Abigail BradyAbigail Brady Date: Nov 6, 2007 09:51
On Nov 6, 5:45 pm, Ianigsy hotmail.com> wrote:> This is the sort of thing which puts me off having one- to put things
> into perspective, I live in Yorkshire and travel down to London
> probably twice a year on average. I like the idea of not having to
> queue at Kings Cross for a Travelcard (especially as Trainline et al
> only seem to be able to sell Z1-2 ones as add-ons) and buy another one
> every morning. Trouble is, when I come down in about ten days' time,
> I may need to go to Walthamstow on the Sunday and the Victoria Line's
> closed, so I'll have to use One from Liverpool Street instead- so I'll
> presumably need a paper one that day and half the object of getting
> one is defeated.
Oyster PAYG is, happily, valid on 'one' between Liverpool Street and
Walthamstow (and Tottenham Hale and Seven Sisters, but not at stations
in between).
Confusing, but useful.
--
Abi
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Nov 6, 2007 09:53
"Ianigsy" hotmail.com> wrote>
> This is the sort of thing which puts me off having one- to put things
> into perspective, I live in Yorkshire and travel down to London
> probably twice a year on average. I like the idea of not having to
> queue at Kings Cross for a Travelcard (especially as Trainline et al
> only seem to be able to sell Z1-2 ones as add-ons) and buy another one
> every morning. Trouble is, when I come down in about ten days' time,
> I may need to go to Walthamstow on the Sunday and the Victoria Line's
> closed, so I'll have to use One from Liverpool Street instead- so I'll
> presumably need a paper one that day and half the object of getting
> one is defeated.
>
Liverpool Street - Walthamstow Central is one (no pun intended) of the
National Rail routes on which...
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Author: umpstonumpston Date: Nov 6, 2007 10:05
On Nov 6, 5:53 pm, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:> "Ianigsy" hotmail.com> wrote
>>> This is the sort of thing which puts me off having one- to put things
>> into perspective, I live in Yorkshire and travel down to London
>> probably twice a year on average. I like the idea of not having to
>> queue at Kings Cross for a Travelcard (especially as Trainline et al
>> only seem to be able to sell Z1-2 ones as add-ons) and buy another one
>> every morning. Trouble is, when I come down in about ten days' time,
>> I may need to go to Walthamstow on the Sunday and the Victoria Line's
>> closed, so I'll have to use One from Liverpool Street instead- so I'll
>> presumably need a paper one that day and half the object of getting
>> one is defeated.
>
> Liverpool...
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Author: thossthoss Date: Nov 6, 2007 10:18
At 10:05:11 on Tue, 6 Nov 2007 umpston opined:-
>On Nov 6, 5:53 pm, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:>> "Ianigsy" hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> This is the sort of thing which puts me off having one- to put things
>>> into...
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Nov 6, 2007 10:27
> On Nov 6, 5:53 pm, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:>> "Ianigsy" hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> This is the sort of thing which puts me off having one- to put things
>>> into perspective, I live in Yorkshire and travel down to London
>>> probably twice a year on average. I like the idea of not having to
>>> queue at Kings Cross for a Travelcard (especially as Trainline et al
>>> only seem to be able to sell Z1-2 ones as add-ons) and buy another one
>>> every morning. Trouble is, when I come down in about ten days' time,
>>> I may need to go to Walthamstow on the Sunday and the Victoria Line's
>>> closed, so I'll have to use One from Liverpool Street instead- so I'll
>>> presumably need a paper one that day and half the object of getting
>>> one is defeated.
>>
>> Liverpool Street - Walthamstow Central is one (no pun intended) of the
>> National Rail routes on which Oyster PAYG is already accepted (though
not at
>> intermediate ...
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Date: Nov 6, 2007 10:35
On 6 Nov, 13:52, Ken aol.com> wrote:
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> [1] Except between two "overground" stations that are also "tube"
> stations, but this represents only a tiny fraction of NR train
> journeys.
Not true. I frequently travel Manor House -> Stratford via the NLL. I
have a z1-2 travelcard and (before PAYG) used my oyster + a paper
extension ticket. When PAYG came along I had understood it was OK to
swipe in/out (iirc the cost was the same).
However I was penalty fared about 2 months ago. I had a long argument
with a member of the PF staff (who didn't strike me as a LUL person
but I may be wrong). He told me *categorically* that you could not use
PAYG on *any* overground line (which is of course not true - I checked
and there were routes that were OK).
Very unhelpful and unnecessary. If you could buy train tickets at tube
stations things would be much better. Basically the whole tube system
is a blot on the UK public transport network. Having all these
stations refusing to issue through tickets to the rest of the rail
network seems amazingly old-fashioned.
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