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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: 1506
Date: May 30, 2008 13:02

On May 30, 12:23 pm, Mr Mappy projectmapping.co.uk> wrote:
> I noticed that there was a piece in Rail magazine proposing the
> renaming of London Liverpool Street to London Broadgate*. I suggested
> this last year in a letter published in Rail**, but maybe it's not an
> original idea, anyone know of any earlier proposals to lose that
> confusing Liverpool Street?

Eminently sensible.
>
> The old fashioned railway parlance of using the suffix 'junction'
> should be reviewed. For example, the inappropriate Watford Junction,
> St Helens Junction and Yeovil Junctions would be more helpful as
> Watford Mainline, St Helens South and Yeovil South. And the yet to
> open Dalston Junction (not a junction at all) would be better as
> Dalston Lane.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Charles Ellson
Date: May 30, 2008 15:07

On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT), 1506
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 30, 12:23 pm, Mr Mappy projectmapping.co.uk> wrote:
>> I noticed that there was a piece in Rail magazine proposing the
>> renaming of London Liverpool Street to London Broadgate*. I suggested
>> this last year in a letter published in Rail**, but maybe it's not an
>> original idea, anyone know of any earlier proposals to lose that
>> confusing Liverpool Street?
>
>Eminently sensible.
>
Oh?
What about :-
Oxford Street (not in Oxford)
Victoria (not in Australia)
Kings Cross (ditto)
Waterloo (not in Belgium)
XXXXXX Road (usually not in XXXXXX)
Dozens of Underground stations not in the place of the same name.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Neil Williams
Date: May 31, 2008 00:46

On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT), 1506
yahoo.com> wrote:
>How about just rebuiding Euston Square in front of Euston and making
>it into a proper interchange.

If I'm getting my bearings right, the entrance is all that would need
rebuilding - the other end of the platforms are damn near Euston
station compared with where the entrance currently is.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: May 31, 2008 05:17

In message 4ax.com>, at 23:07:35 on
Fri, 30 May 2008, Charles Ellson ellson.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>Anyway, there's already a Broadgate in Oldham (and Nottingham and
>Lincoln and ...)

Broadgate in Nottingham is a small street in Beeston miles from anywhere
you'd expect a railway station. You didn't mean Broadmarsh, did you
(always reminds me of a cross between Broadmoor and Belmarsh).
--
Roland Perry
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: D7666
Date: May 31, 2008 12:08

On May 31, 8:46 am, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
wrote:
>>How about just rebuiding Euston Square in front of Euston and making
>>it into a proper interchange.
>
> If I'm getting my bearings right, the entrance is all that would need
> rebuilding - the other end of the platforms are damn near Euston
> station compared with where the entrance currently is.

Yep - its a blindingly obvious thing to do.

--
Nick
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Charles Ellson
Date: May 31, 2008 15:05

On Sat, 31 May 2008 13:17:58 +0100, Roland Perry perry.co.uk>
wrote:
>In message 4ax.com>, at 23:07:35 on
>Fri, 30 May 2008, Charles Ellson ellson.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>Anyway, there's already a Broadgate in Oldham (and Nottingham and
>>Lincoln and ...)
>
>Broadgate in Nottingham is a small street in Beeston miles from anywhere
>you'd expect a railway station. You didn't mean Broadmarsh, did you
>(always reminds me of a cross between Broadmoor and Belmarsh).
>
As a steet, I'd picked it as a (probably) more established use of the
name Broadgate than a "here today, gone tomorrow" [(c) Robin Day]
office development.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Jun 1, 2008 02:12

In message 4ax.com>, at 23:05:53 on
Sat, 31 May 2008, Charles Ellson ellson.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>Broadgate in Nottingham is a small street in Beeston miles from anywhere
>>you'd expect a railway station. You didn't mean Broadmarsh, did you
>>(always reminds me of a cross between Broadmoor and Belmarsh).
>>
>As a steet, I'd picked it as a (probably) more established use of the
>name Broadgate than a "here today, gone tomorrow" [(c) Robin Day]
>office development.

But Broadgate in Nottingham is miles from a railway station, so why use
it as a name?
--
Roland Perry
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Jun 1, 2008 04:40

On Fri, 30 May 2008, 1506 wrote:
> On May 30, 12:23 pm, Mr Mappy projectmapping.co.uk> wrote:
>> I noticed that there was a piece in Rail magazine proposing the
>> renaming of London Liverpool Street to London Broadgate*. I suggested
>> this last year in a letter published in Rail**, but maybe it's not an
>> original idea, anyone know of any earlier proposals to lose that
>> confusing Liverpool Street?
>
> Eminently sensible.

Are we sure it isn't London Bishopsgate? That would be a much better name.

Or, hey, how about Broad Street?

tom

--
I do not think we will have to wait for long.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Charles Ellson
Date: Jun 1, 2008 11:12

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:12:40 +0100, Roland Perry perry.co.uk>
wrote:
>In message 4ax.com>, at 23:05:53 on
>Sat, 31 May 2008, Charles Ellson ellson.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>Broadgate in Nottingham is a small street in Beeston miles from anywhere
>>>you'd expect a railway station. You didn't mean Broadmarsh, did you
>>>(always reminds me of a cross between Broadmoor and Belmarsh).
>>>
>>As a steet, I'd picked it as a (probably) more established use of the
>>name Broadgate than a "here today, gone tomorrow" [(c) Robin Day]
>>office development.
>
>But Broadgate in Nottingham is miles from a railway station, so why use
>it as a name?
>
The point is that there are probably many stations somewhat closer to
a relatively-permanent "Broadgate" than Liverpool Street station is.
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Re: London Broadgate station and that old fashioned 'junction' suffix         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Jun 1, 2008 11:43

On 31 May, 20:08, D7666 hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 31, 8:46 am, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
> wrote:
>
>>>How about just rebuiding Euston Square in front of Euston and making
>>>it into a proper interchange.
>
>> If I'm getting my bearings right, the entrance is all that would need
>> rebuilding - the other end of the platforms are damn near Euston
>> station compared with where the entrance currently is.
>
> Yep - its a blindingly obvious thing to do.
>

But not perhaps as blindingly simple as one might like it to be!

There were some recent murmurs of a significant redevelopment at
Euston, replete with an air rights development in place of the parcel
deck, and I'm sure I recall some vague notion that this would also
entail linking up Euston Square with Euston.
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