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Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: May 7, 2008 04:27

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm

"That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."

Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
Is this a real problem?

Paul
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Tom Barry
Date: May 7, 2008 04:38

Paul Scott wrote:
> From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm
>
> "That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
> tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."
>
> Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
> Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
> Is this a real problem?
>
> Paul
>

Spotted the Overground wasn't there too, which begs the question what
happens on joint routes like Richmond-Gunnersbury and Queens Park-Harrow
& Wealdstone. He presumably doesn't have the power on Network Rail
(there are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy*
booze on the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually
has to do this (he does have them, presumably?).

Then there's the question of enforcement, of course.
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Mr Thant
Date: May 7, 2008 04:39

On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:
> Is this a real problem?

No, but it's a good excuse for pompous moralising. See also the ramble
about privilege and individual responsibility at the end of this press
release:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/8162.aspx

Serves us right for electing a tory.

U

--
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A blog about transport projects in London
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Richard J.
Date: May 7, 2008 04:53

Mr Thant wrote:
> On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Is this a real problem?
>
> No, but it's a good excuse for pompous moralising. See also the ramble
> about privilege and individual responsibility at the end of this press
> release:
> http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/8162.aspx
>
> Serves us right for electing a tory.

What exactly is your problem with requiring kids to behave with reasonable
civility in return for the privilege of free travel?
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: James
Date: May 7, 2008 04:53

On May 7, 12:27 pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
wrote:
> From:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm
>
> "That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
> tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."
>
> Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
> Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
> Is this a real problem?
>
> Paul

Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: May 7, 2008 04:58

"Tom Barry" blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vwgUj.26419$815.15719@newsfe16.ams2...
> Paul Scott wrote:
>> From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm
>>
>> "That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
>> tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."
>>
>> Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
>> Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
>> Is this a real problem?
>>
>> Paul
>
> Spotted the Overground wasn't there too, which begs the question what
> happens on joint routes like Richmond-Gunnersbury and Queens Park-Harrow &
> Wealdstone. He presumably doesn't have the power on Network Rail (there
> are presumably routes wholly within London you can still *buy* booze on
> the train, surely?), but I've no idea what powers he actually has to do
> this (he does have them, presumably?). ...
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Tom Barry
Date: May 7, 2008 05:11

Paul Scott wrote:
>
> Interesting point - I'd just put it down to a cockup.
>
> More confirmation that LO is still part of the National Network perhaps. In
> your example Richmond definitely is - would Gunnersbury be a Network Rail
> station leased and run by LU or LO?
>
> Paul S
>
>

NR station managed by LU I think. It had Oyster readers long before LO
was launched.

Tom
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Tom Barry
Date: May 7, 2008 05:19

James wrote:
>
> Hmm. I can't honestly say that I've seen an awefully large number of
> people drinking on public transport, either tube or bus, in the few
> years that I've been living in the capital. More public transport
> journeys are pretty short, so there's rarely enough time for even the
> most light-weighted drinker to become drunk.
>
> Ofcourse I've seen plently of trouble on public transport involving
> drunk people, but they were all already drunk before boarding,
> something that Boris' new legislation will do nothing to prevent.

That's it in a nutshell - I saw someone perfectly well behaved with a
can of Magners on the tube into town last Friday, then came home myself
on a bus after a birthday night out, obviously without a drop of booze
*on* me, but with the Electric Soup lapping the tonsils. It's not
people drinking on the tube you need to worry about, it's people being
drunk *and misbehaving*, which I'm sure was already covered by various
offences.
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Re: Johnson unveils Tube alcohol ban         


Author: Rob
Date: May 7, 2008 06:02

On 7 May, 12:27, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com> wrote:
> From:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7387113.stm
>
> "That's why from 1 June the drinking of alcohol will be banned from the
> tube, tram, bus, and Docklands Light Railway."
>
> Have they forgotten the 'Overground' then?
> Will crowds flock to mainline terminals with bars on the concourses?
> Is this a real problem?
>
> Paul

Do you think Thames Clippers will be affected by the alcohol ban. They
sell alcohol on board. A bottle of becks on the deck of a boat down to
Woolwich on a sunny evening was one of lifes little pleasures. No more
I suppose

Rob
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Author: Richard J.
Date: May 7, 2008 06:37

Tom Barry wrote:
> Paul Scott wrote:
>>
>> Interesting point - I'd just put it down to a cockup.
>>
>> More confirmation that LO is still part of the National Network
>> perhaps. In your example Richmond definitely is - would Gunnersbury
>> be a Network Rail station leased and run by LU or LO?
> NR station managed by LU I think. It had Oyster readers long before
> LO was launched.

It was managed by Silverlink previously. LU only took over the managment
when LO was launched. I assume that formally it's still owned by Network
Rail.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)
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