> On 19 Feb, 16:38, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:
>

>> "John B" johnband.org> wrote

>

>>> Euston is the only sensible destination for a north/south HSL, in
>>> simple geography and engineering terms. A link to HS1 to allow NoL
>>> trains (which might be viable at 350km/h) would be sensible. Maybe a
>>> travelator to KXSP...

>

>> Exactly. A branch from Heathrow to the HSL (in the Denham area, if the
>> Chiltern corridor is used) would make sense (as suggested by Greengauge),
>> but running the HSL from Euston/St Pancras to Birmingham via Heathrow is
>> likely to be too slow, and certain to be too expensive, to be worthwhile.

>

>> Peter

>
> Additionally, if space is tight at Euston then the whole station could
> be rebuilt with longer platforms at the current level stretching to
> buffer stops just north of Euston Road (or at least north of the ...

>
> On Feb 19, 9:20 am, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>

>> On 19 Feb, 16:38, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:

>

>>> "John B" johnband.org> wrote

>

>>>> Euston is the only sensible destination for a north/south HSL, in
>>>> simple geography and engineering terms. A link to HS1 to allow NoL
>>>> trains (which might be viable at 350km/h) would be sensible. Maybe a
>>>> travelator to KXSP...

>

>>> Exactly. A branch from Heathrow to the HSL (in the Denham area, if the
>>> Chiltern corridor is used) would make sense (as suggested by Greengauge),
>>> but running the HSL from Euston/St Pancras to Birmingham via Heathrow is
>>> likely to be too slow, and certain to be too expensive, to be worthwhile.

>

>>> Peter ...

> On 19 Feb, 21:10, Adrian Auer-Hudson yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>

>> On Feb 19, 9:20 am, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>> On 19 Feb, 16:38, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:

>

>>>> "John B" johnband.org> wrote

>

>>>>> Euston is the only sensible destination for a north/south HSL, in
>>>>> simple geography and engineering terms. A link to HS1 to allow NoL
>>>>> trains (which might be viable at 350km/h) would be sensible. Maybe a
>>>>> travelator to KXSP...

>

>>>> Exactly. A branch from Heathrow to the HSL (in the Denham area, if the
>>>> Chiltern corridor is used) would make sense (as suggested by Greengauge),
>>>> but running the HSL from Euston/St Pancras to Birmingham via Heathrow is ...

>The stations on the northern half of the circle may have made sense in
>the 1860s. They are inconvenient today. And, said side of the Circle
>misses interchange possibilities at almost every opportunity. The
>biggest omission IMHO is not having a station in front of Euston. It
>would be an expensive mistake to rectify.

> On Feb 19, 2:25pm, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>

>> On 19 Feb, 21:10, Adrian Auer-Hudson yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>

>>> On Feb 19, 9:20 am, Mizter T gmail.com...

> "Adrian" yahoo.com> wrote
>

>>The stations on the northern half of the circle may have made sense in
>>the 1860s. They are inconvenient today. And, said side of the Circle
>>misses interchange possibilities at almost every opportunity. The
>>biggest omission IMHO is not having a station in front of Euston. It
>>would be an expensive mistake to rectify.

>
> IIRC the entrance to Euston Square Circle Line station is at the west end of
> the platforms, and is near enough to Warren Street LUL station as to be
> considered an interchange. As the Circle Line runs under the Euston Road,
> and the buffer stops at Euston are a good way short of Euston Road, a
> perfect interchange would be unduly expensive. However, a much better
> interchange would be achieved if the entrance to Euston Square station was
> moved to the east end of the platforms (or a subsidiary entrance provided
> there). Incidentally, Euston Square station was originally named, more
> appropriately, Gower Street. It was only renamed in 1909 as a late reaction
> to the opening of tube stations at Euston on both the Hampstead Tube and the
> City & South London Railway (now the Charing Cross and Bank branches of the ...

>Well, if anyone on utl or misc.transport.urban-transit is reading this
>then I they won't be aware of the context - which basically came from
>a pretty pie-in-the-sky discussion of where a London terminus/through
>station for a new British north-south high speed line would be
>located. Euston appears to be the most realistic suggestion, if a new
>HSL ever actually got built

> Without major rebuilding at Euston Square it wouldn't have been
> possible to keep this subway within the fare-paid zone (i.e.
> interchanging passengers would have to pass out and then back in
> through gates),

> Am Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:57:13 UTC, schrieb Mizter T
> gmail.com> auf uk.railway :
>

>> Without major rebuilding at Euston Square it wouldn't have been
>> possible to keep this subway within the fare-paid zone (i.e.
>> interchanging passengers would have to pass out and then back in
>> through gates),

>
> get rid of the gates, and that problem isn't any any more. :-))
>

>> get rid of the gates, and that problem isn't any any more. :-))

> Yeah, everyone will just travel for free!