On Feb 11, 4:58Â pm, Romanise
gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 11, 4:16 pm, Andy
gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cars for the St. Ann's Car Park have to use Kymberley Road to use the
>> car park. Sure some buses park up in Kymberley Road, were would you
>> put then if you have split the bus station either side of the railway?
>
> Once mostly the buses which start from Harrow Bus Station have to
> enter the Bus Station there will be enough place inside the Bus
> Station to park them there. 340, H9, H10, H11, H17 and 223 are the
> buses. H18 & H19 being at half hour interval normally has no time to
> get them parked.
>
>
>
>>>> And surely the point of a bus station is that every bus calls there
>>>> and so makes changing between routes easy.
>
>>> If buses going one way continue to stop at the Bus Station and those
>>> going in opposite direction can stop on the Hill side of tube station,
>>> the area that is used for Buses on Rail Replacement Service.
>
>>> No one changing a bus will be inconvenienced.
>
>>> People coming for shopping from one direction get off at St George's
>>> sto and those coming from opposite direction get off on station road
>>> between Iceland Store and Barclay's Bank. In fact this point is used
>>> for changing buses.
>
>> How do you define directions? Bus routes don't just do West - East inHarrow, but North - South as well. Five of the current routes goto
>> Northwick Park hospital and during the day you can see quite a few
>> people changing onto buses heading in that direction. Many of those
>> passengers won't want to walk across the bridge atHarrow-on-the-Hill
>> just because their bus was going in the wrong direction.
>
> From which bus would you say a passenger changes into a Hospital bus
> at current Harrow Bus Station?
>
>> Several of the routes (such as the H9/10,H11,H14,114) either don't go
>> down Greenhill Road and past the stop behind the St. George's Center,
>> or down Station Road.
>
> H14 Â travelling towards Hospital can have a stop where Headstone Rd &
> GreenHill way meet. People can be in shopping centre just as fast.
>
> 114 bringing passengers for shopping from South Harrow side can
> offload them at 2 points on Station Road. Other buses being of Harrow
> Station will go in that Station as they are going now.
>
> 114, 183, 140 and H14 can go to Harrow station one way. 140 if taken
> on to Sheepcote Rd+Gayton Road while going towards Heathrow will not
> have to enter tha Bus Station to come out on College Road.
>
> 182, 258 and 186 need not go to Harrow Bus Station at all.
>
>>>> Harrowbus station is also
>>>> in a good place for the shopping centers. Station Road would not be
>>>> nearly so convenient, for eitherHarrow-on-the-Hill station nor most
>>>> of the shops
>
>>>> I personally find thatHarrowBus station works quite well with easy
>>>> connections to the Metropolitan line.
>
>>> Passengers from Hill side, particularly the old people, have to climb
>>> up and down the stairs of tube station to access the Bus Station. With
>>> 2nd part of the Bus Station becoming active on the Hill side those
>>> passengers will be saved from unnecessary trouble.
>
>> Any what of the elderly people who would want to change from a route
>> on one side of the bus station to one on the other?
>
> Again from which numbered bus to which numbered Bus, please.
>
>> Harrow-on-the-Hill
>> station will have step-free access by 2013 (I don't know what the
>> exact date is) which will make their access easier anyway.
>
> I am told there is no money for next 10 years.
>
We are never going to agree on the basics, so I'll leave discussion
about individual problems / solutions to what I have already said.
I'll just say if you want to see real bus congestion take a look at
the area around Tottenham Court Road underground station and under
Center Point. This puts any perceived problems at Harrow Bus station
into context.
The rebuild of Harrow-on-the-Hill station with step-free access is
part of London Undergrounds plans to have a 'Foundation Network' for
accessible stations. See
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/transportaccessibility/5966.aspx
and especially the file linked to here
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/Towards_an_Accessible_Tube_12pt1.pdf
Harrow Council will have nothing to do with funding a step-free
station, as it is TfLs programme.The only influence from the council
would be if they could put their grand plan for the new station in
place before the step-free access program for the current station is
finalised.
>> Also, if
>> you have separated the directions of the buses then people from the
>> Hill side might be able to catch a bus 'on the flat' but will still
>> have to cross the railway when they get off the bus when they return.
>
> For old people, and I am closing onto 70, walking from Iceland to the
> Hillside of Tube station is easier than climbing the steps. Besides
> coming from Hospital side can easily be made to touch the Hill side of
> Tube Station.
>
>>> By the way nobody coming to any of the shopping areas get down at Bus
>>> station. Besides St George's Shopping Mall they get down on either on
>>> Green Hill way or on Station Road.
>
>> Hmm, amazing the number of people with shopping that you can see at
>> the Bus station with shopping if it is so inconvenient for the
>> shopping centers.
>
> They can catch all the buses they need either at the Bus Station or on
> Station Road once shopping is done.
>
>>> In fact if Ramps are provided for people travelling on tube station to
>>> come out into the Bus Station or in the St. Ann's shopping mall there
>>> will be much freer movement of vehicular traffic on College Road.
>
>>>>> I got the feeling that tfl andHarrowCouncil do not wish to make any
>>>>> change anywhere. They wish to solve the problem with expensive,
>>>>> unrealistic, 10 years from now strategy. Components of which are, make
>>>>> one way Station Road section two way, build over-bridge onHarrowTube
>>>>> station for which they have no money.
