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Author: RomaniseRomanise Date: Feb 9, 2008 01:48
Bus station lacks parking place for those that start and end there.
College Road gets lock jammed because buses have to enter and come
out of the Bus Station unnecessarily.
Huge amounts can be saved in fuel and pollution can be reduced if the
buses that do not start-end at the Station are rerouted around Harrow
Tube Station.
Most Buses coming out onto Station Road need not go to the Station at
all. Some of them getting into Station from Kimberly Road can touch
the Tube Station from Hill Side (Lowlands Road). Those entering from
Station Road and again coming out onto Station Road need not go to the
Station at all.
I got the feeling that tfl and Harrow Council do not wish to make any
change anywhere. They wish to solve the problem with expensive,
unrealistic, 10 years from now strategy. Components of which are, make
one way Station Road section two way, build over-bridge on Harrow Tube
station for which they have no money.
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Author: AndyAndy Date: Feb 9, 2008 03:43
On Feb 9, 9:48 am, Romanise gmail.com> wrote:> Bus station lacks parking place for those that start and end there.
> College Road gets lock jammed because buses have to enter and come
> out of the Bus Station unnecessarily.
>
There seem to be at least three car parks within 5 mins walk of the
bus station. College Road get blocked up because buses have to fight
with cars coming out of said car parks, not because there are too many
buses.
> Huge amounts can be saved in fuel and pollution can be reduced if the
> buses that do not start-end at the Station are rerouted around Harrow
> Tube Station.
>
> Most Buses coming out onto Station Road need not go to the Station at
> all. Some of them getting into Station from Kimberly Road can touch
> the Tube Station from Hill Side (Lowlands Road). Those entering from
> Station Road and again coming out onto Station Road need not go to the
> Station at all.
>
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Author: RomaniseRomanise Date: Feb 11, 2008 07:05
On Feb 9, 11:43 am, Andy gmail.com> wrote:> There seem to be at least three car parks within 5 mins walk of the
> bus station. College Road get blocked up because buses have to fight
> with cars coming out of said car parks, not because there are too many
> buses.
Buses have to be taken out of the Station to park them as far away as
St George's Shopping Mall. At times there are 5 buses are seen parked.
This clearly shows that Station Space is not adequate.
Buses have to enter the Station from Kimberly Road side and no Cars
coming out of or going in 3 car parks come in the way.
> And surely the point of a bus station is that every bus calls there
> and so makes changing between routes easy.
If buses going one way continue to stop at the Bus Station and those
going in opposite direction can stop on the Hill side of tube station,
the area that is used for Buses on Rail Replacement Service.
No one changing a bus will be inconvenienced.
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Author: AndyAndy Date: Feb 11, 2008 08:16
On Feb 11, 3:05 pm, Romanise gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 9, 11:43 am, Andy gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There seem to be at least three car parks within 5 mins walk of the
>> bus station. College Road get blocked up because buses have to fight
>> with cars coming out of said car parks, not because there are too many
>> buses.
>
> Buses have to be taken out of the Station to park them as far away as
> St George's Shopping Mall. At times there are 5 buses are seen parked.
> This clearly shows that Station Space is not adequate.
> Buses have to enter the Station from Kimberly Road side and no Cars
> coming out of or going in 3 car parks come in the way.
>
Cars for the St. Ann's Car Park have to use Kymberley Road to use the
car park. Sure some buses park up in Kymberley Road, were would you
put then if you have split the bus station either side of the railway?
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Author: RomaniseRomanise Date: Feb 11, 2008 08:58
On Feb 11, 4:16 pm, Andy gmail.com> wrote:
> Cars for the St. Ann's Car Park have to use Kymberley Road to use the
> car park. Sure some buses park up in Kymberley Road, were would you
> put then if you have split the bus station either side of the railway?
Once mostly the buses which start from Harrow Bus Station have to
enter the Bus Station there will be enough place inside the Bus
Station to park them there. 340, H9, H10, H11, H17 and 223 are the
buses. H18 & H19 being at half hour interval normally has no time to
get them parked.
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Author: AndyAndy Date: Feb 11, 2008 13:08
On Feb 11, 4:58 pm, Romanise gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 11, 4:16 pm, Andy gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cars for the St. Ann's Car Park have to use Kymberley Road to use the
>> car park. Sure some buses park up in Kymberley Road, were would you
>> put then if you have split the bus station either side of the railway?
>
> Once mostly the buses which start from Harrow Bus Station have to
> enter the Bus Station there will be enough place inside the Bus
> Station to park them there. 340, H9, H10, H11, H17 and 223 are the
> buses. H18 & H19 being at half hour interval normally has no time to
> get them parked.
>
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>>>> And surely the point of a bus station is that every bus calls there
>>>> and so makes changing between routes easy.
>
>>> If buses going one way continue to stop at the Bus Station and those
>>> going in opposite direction can stop on the Hill side of tube station, ...
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Author: RomaniseRomanise Date: Feb 12, 2008 07:06
On Feb 11, 9:08 pm, Andy gmail.com> wrote:
> We are never going to agree on the basics, so I'll leave discussion
> about individual problems / solutions to what I have already said.
> I'll just say if you want to see real bus congestion take a...
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Author: Paul CorfieldPaul Corfield Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:16
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:06:11 -0800 (PST), Romanise gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Feb 11, 9:08 pm, Andy gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We are never going to agree on the basics, so I'll leave discussion
>> about individual problems / solutions to what I have already said.
>> I'll just say if you want to see real bus congestion take a look at
>> the area around Tottenham Court Road underground station and under
>> Center Point. This puts any perceived problems at Harrow Bus station
>> into context.
>>
[snip]
>I have had to use Buses from Tottenham Court Road underground station
>for going on to Tottenham Court Road.
>
>There it is the Car traffic from all 4 sides crossing each other.
No it is not. Car traffic can only come from Charing Cross Road heading
north. Tottenham Court Road is one way so no traffic can come from that
direction. Oxford St and New Oxford Street are both bus and taxi only.
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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Feb 17, 2008 08:14
Paul Corfield wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:06:11 -0800 (PST), Romanise gmail.com>
> wrote:>>
>> I have had to use Buses from Tottenham Court Road underground station
>> for going on to Tottenham Court Road.
>>
>> There it is the Car traffic from all 4 sides crossing each other.
>
> No it is not. Car traffic can only come from Charing Cross Road
> heading north. Tottenham Court Road is one way so no traffic can come
> from that direction.
... although I once saw three pedicabs racing each other side-by-side out of
the southern end of Tottenham Court Road, just as the traffic light for
northward traffic had gone green.
> Oxford St and New Oxford Street are both bus and taxi only.
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