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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 8, 2008 12:38
Oh dear , some toys being chucked out of prams over at TfL HQ. Seems
poor old Peter Hendy was in a rage about the recent failures (read:
loss of revenue). Oh dear Peter , well now you know what its like for
Oyster to screw you out of your money through no fault of your own.
Suck it up mate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7549603.stm
B2003
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: Aug 9, 2008 03:27
Boltar wrote:
> Oh dear , some toys being chucked out of prams over at TfL HQ. Seems
> poor old Peter Hendy was in a rage about the recent failures (read:
> loss of revenue). Oh dear Peter , well now you know what its like for
> Oyster to screw you out of your money through no fault of your own.
> Suck it up mate.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7549603.stm
>
> B2003
Have you got anything intelligent to say about it, or are you just
airing your well-known anti-Oyster views?
Personally, if Hendy is incandescent about the Oyster failures, good.
He's every right to be, indeed if he wasn't he'd not be doing his job
properly.
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Author: Paul CorfieldPaul Corfield Date: Aug 9, 2008 03:36
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:27:07 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
>Boltar wrote:
>> Oh dear , some toys being chucked out of prams over at TfL HQ. Seems
>> poor old Peter Hendy was in a rage about the recent failures (read:
>> loss of revenue). Oh dear Peter , well now...
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: Aug 9, 2008 03:53
Paul Corfield wrote:
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> And not forgetting the resources needed to undertake the retendering
> process [1]. I also don't see Cubic walking away from London given the
> scale of equipment they have in place. They will also be spending time
> and money to try to win the replacement contract (or at least a
> significant role in any consortia that might put itself forward to bid).
>
> [1] it was a very significant task the first time round and the
> situation now is more complex in terms of stakeholders / participants
> and also the divergent options around the way the technology will
> develop. London Buses' view of on bus systems would suggest they'd want
> to walk away from ticket machines being supplied by a future "Prestige"
> consortia.
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Author: James FarrarJames Farrar Date: Aug 9, 2008 05:06
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:27:07 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
>Have you got anything intelligent to say about it, or are you just
>airing your well-known anti-Oyster views?
You have to ask?
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: Aug 9, 2008 05:13
Paul Corfield wrote:
>...
>
> I'm sure Mr Ranger was involved with Prestige at some point and he was
> also involved in the Tunnel Cooling project but I don't know what his
> exact role was. However from my experience of Prestige he did not single
> handedly deliver the contract / project on a plate [1] - as is suggested
> by certain press releases.
>
> I shall now await a brown envelope landing on my desk ;-)
>
> [1] it was this suggestion that rather stuck in my throat given how much
> work so many good people put in to that project to make it happen.
Sort of confirms my suspicions - the impression he gave at the Transport
Committee (which was that he'd helped renegotiate some part of the PFI
rather than delivering the whole project) plus the factor of his youth
was rather at odds with the PR, which seemed to me to be bigging up what
appears to be a conventional bright young guy career in consultancy
which occasionally touched on transport matters as something rather larger.
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 9, 2008 09:36
On 9 Aug, 11:27, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Have you got anything intelligent to say about it, or are you just
> airing your well-known anti-Oyster views?
I didn't notice anyone else posting the link. What would you like, a
discourse on its technical merits? We've already done that. For the
record I'm not anti Oyster per se, I'm anti the way TfL have set up
the PAYG which IMO is close to being fraudulent.
> Personally, if Hendy is incandescent about the Oyster failures, good.
> He's every right to be, indeed if he wasn't he'd not be doing his job
> properly.
If he'd been doing his job properly he'd have choisen the DES
encrypted MiFARE system, not the bargain basement hackable one thats
been around for ages.
> As for the early end of the contract (in two years, actually) various
> questions arise, not least of which is that Transys now have no
> particular incentive to improve their performance beyond whatever
> penalty payments are in the contract, a common drawback of outsourcing
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Author: Edward Cowling London UKEdward Cowling London UK Date: Aug 9, 2008 10:22
>Oh dear , some toys being chucked out of prams over at TfL HQ. Seems
>poor old Peter Hendy was in a rage about the recent failures (read:
>loss of revenue). Oh dear Peter , well now you know what its like for
>Oyster to screw you out of your money through no fault of your own.
>Suck it up mate.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7549603.stm
>
Paper travel cards & photocards here we come.... again :-)
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Author: tim.....tim..... Date: Aug 9, 2008 09:15
"Tom Barry" blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Rhenk.10106$Z24.1314@newsfe19.ams2...
> Boltar wrote:
>> Oh dear , some toys being chucked out of prams over at TfL HQ. Seems
>> poor old Peter Hendy was in a rage about the recent failures (read:
>> loss of revenue). Oh dear Peter , well now you know what its like for
>> Oyster to screw you out of your money through no fault of your own.
>> Suck it up mate.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7549603.stm
>>
>> B2003
>
> Have you got anything intelligent to say about it, or are you just airing
> your well-known anti-Oyster views?
>
> Personally, if Hendy is incandescent about the Oyster failures, good. He's
> every right to be, indeed if he wasn't he'd not be doing his job properly.
>
> As for the early end of the contract (in two years, actually) various ...
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Author: Jarle H KnudsenJarle H Knudsen Date: Aug 9, 2008 11:41
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT), Boltar wrote:
> If he'd been doing his job properly he'd have choisen the DES
> encrypted MiFARE system, not the bargain basement hackable one thats
> been around for ages.
DES is a deprecated cryptographic block cipher that falls to brute force
attacks due to its short 56-bit key. It has been superseded by AES.
--
jhk
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