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Author: Matthew DickinsonMatthew Dickinson Date: Sep 20, 2008 06:56
First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
tube.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 20, 2008 10:56
On 20 Sep, 14:56, Matthew Dickinson gmail.com>
wrote:> First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
> between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
> September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
> yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
> tube.
Excellent news.
South of the river, I've seen new installations of Oyster readers at
Brockley and East Dulwich stations (the one at ED was also noted by
someone else here as well). I'm not 100%% up to date on developments
but I presume that the Southern Metro network is gearing up for Oyster
acceptance - I understand that the new South Central franchise will
contain a commitment to smart card ticketing - presumably with a
specific commitment to Oyster, as opposed to merely ITSO?.
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Author: PRARPRAR Date: Sep 21, 2008 00:43
DERWENT Re: FGW Oystercard PAYG
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T gmail.com>
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>On 20 Sep, 14:56, Matthew Dickinson gmail.com>
>wrote:>> First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
>> between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford...
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 21, 2008 03:39
On 21 Sep, 08:43, PRAR nospam.com> wrote:>
> (snip)
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> Oystear readers have appeared at my local stations: Norwood Junction &
> Selhurst. They are not in se yet though. No evidence of the ticket
> offices being able to issue Oyster tickets yet though.
>
One must assume that they will only come into use when the whole of
the Southern Metro network 'goes live' for Oyster PAYG acceptance,
though I'm not sure when that will be.
Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
theory at least.
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Date: Sep 21, 2008 07:30
> First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
> between Paddington and West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st
> September, according to a leaflet I picked up at Ealing Broadway
> yesterday. The fares and peak periods will be the same as for the
> tube.
As a matter of interest, how do you get charged on a pre-pay Oyster card
if the journey involves both NR and LE, with an out of barrier change
--
eg, if you take FGW from, say, Ealing Broadway to Paddington, then
change to the Circle from Paddington to, say, Baker Street? Is it
treated as a single zone 1-3 journey, or a zone 1-3 plus a zone 1
journey? And, presumably, the same rule applies with other operators,
such as Chiltern or even London Overground?
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Author: Barry SalterBarry Salter Date: Sep 21, 2008 07:57
Mizter T wrote:
> Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
> big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
> to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
> update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
> theory at least.
AFAIK, Pearl is the "standalone" Oyster only device being rolled out
across "Ticket Stops" that don't already have Oyster capabilities.
The only "Next Generation" [National Rail] Ticket Issuing System with
Oyster functionality that I'm aware of is Cubic's FasTIS+.
Cheers,
Barry
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 21, 2008 08:56
On 21 Sep, 15:30, "Recliner" clara.co_dot_uk> wrote:
> "Matthew Dickinson" gmail.com> wrote:
>>> First Great Western will accept Oyster Pay As You Go at all stations
>> between Paddington and  West Drayton or Greenford from the 21st...
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 21, 2008 09:06
On 21 Sep, 15:57, Barry Salter nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Mizter T wrote:
>> Ticket offices being able to issue Oyster products is theoretically no
>> big deal, as an Oyster pad device known as 'Pearl' should be attached
>> to the ticket issuing equipment, which - with an appropriate software
>> update - should then be able to issue such tickets. AIUI that's the
>> theory at least.
>
> AFAIK, Pearl is the "standalone" Oyster only device being rolled out
> across "Ticket Stops" that don't already have Oyster capabilities.
>
> The only "Next Generation" [National Rail] Ticket Issuing System with
> Oyster functionality that I'm aware of is Cubic's FasTIS+.
>
I stand corrected!
The reasons I mentioned Pearl is that the new Pearl pads at "Oyster
Ticket Stops" look similar to those used in NR ticket offices. I'll
try and find that TfL document that discussed the Pearl kit, I seem to
recall it being described as 'all purpose' or somesuch.
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Author: Barry SalterBarry Salter Date: Sep 21, 2008 09:55
Mizter T wrote:
[Oyster]
> Is there no chance that the Fujitsu Star system could be adapted to
> deal with it? And I forget - any idea which system Southern have at
> their ticket offices?
As far as I'm aware, neither Star, Tribute nor Shere Smart (which is
what FCC and Southern use) can be modified for Oyster.
Why this is, I'm not sure, but I seem to remember a proposal that
stations not using FasTIS already were to be equipped with a FasTIS+
terminal, with tickets being issued as normal on "paper" tickets, then
read on the FasTIS+ and loaded onto the Oyster card, with the paper
ticket being voided.
Cheers,
Barry
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Author: RPMRPM Date: Sep 21, 2008 13:30
On Sep 21, 5:56Â pm, Barry Salter nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:> Mizter T wrote:
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> [Oyster]
>
>> Is there no chance that the Fujitsu Star system could be adapted to
>> deal with it? And I forget - any idea which system Southern have at
>> their ticket offices?
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> As far as I'm aware, neither Star, Tribute nor Shere Smart (which is
> what FCC and Southern use) can be modified for Oyster.
That apparently is the case but it is hard to see why those systems
can't be made Oyster compatible when they managed it with APTIS. (The
add-on was called APTIS-ANT IIRC) perhaps the functionality required
then was more starightforward than what is needed now.
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