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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Aug 11, 2007 12:44
On Aug 11, 7:56 pm, Stuart dotcodotuk.co.uk> wrote:
> There's at least 2 schools on the line aren't there?
The Parkland Walk proper from Finsbury Park to Highgate is clear. It's
the second bit frrom Highgate to Alexandra Palace that has the
obstructions.
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Aug 11, 2007 13:58
On Aug 11, 8:44 pm, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
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> On Aug 11, 7:56 pm, Stuart dotcodotuk.co.uk> wrote:
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>> There's at least 2 schools on the line aren't there?
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> The Parkland Walk proper from Finsbury Park to Highgate is clear. It's
> the second bit frrom Highgate to Alexandra Palace that has the
> obstructions.
And I think it was still in use for movements between the City branch
and Highgate Depot till the early 1970s wasn't it? How did they get
across Finsbury Park at that time? (I realise that occasional stock
movements aren't equivalent to regular services, so I am not trying to
imply that there's an easy route, but there must be a route.)
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Aug 11, 2007 14:47
On Aug 11, 9:58 pm, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
> And I think it was still in use for movements between the City branch
> and Highgate Depot till the early 1970s wasn't it? How did they get
> across Finsbury Park at that time? (I realise that occasional stock
> movements aren't equivalent to regular services, so I am not trying to
> imply that there's an easy route, but there must be a route.)
The Northern City had a stock transfer connection with the ECML at
Drayton Park depot, and the Highgate line was built as a branch of the
ECML, with a flying junction that cut into the southwest corner of the
current extent of the park.
See the map and photos here:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/h/highgate/index.shtml
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Aug 12, 2007 02:41
On Aug 11, 10:47 pm, Mr Thant
googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 9:58 pm, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
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>> And I think it was still in use for movements between the City branch
>> and Highgate Depot till the early 1970s wasn't it? How did they get
>> across Finsbury Park at that time? (I realise that occasional stock
>> movements aren't equivalent to regular services, so I am not trying to
>> imply that there's an easy route, but there must be a route.)
>
> The Northern City had a stock transfer connection with the ECML at
> Drayton Park depot, and the Highgate line was built as a branch of the
> ECML, with a flying junction that cut into the southwest corner of the
> current extent of the park.
I am trying to picture where that would be. Somewhere near the
trainspotters platform?
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Aug 12, 2007 04:00
On Aug 12, 10:41 am, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
> I am trying to picture where that would be. Somewhere near the
> trainspotters platform?
Sorry, I linked to the wrong page:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/f/finsbury_park/index.shtml
The street map on that page shows the route of the viaduct through the
park.
The first two photos here show what the junction looked like from the
branch end, facing the park:
http://overground.doeth.net/heights/
The ECML runs left to right underneath the bridges. Northbound trains
arrive from the ramp on the right, directly from the main ECML
formation. Southbound trains turn left, crossing the whole main line,
then use the viaduct alongside the park to reach FP station.
The Northern Heights plan would have had both lines crossing over,
then extended the viaduct through Station Place (where the fancy new
canopy is today) to join the Northern City without using the ECML.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Aug 12, 2007 04:14
> On Aug 12, 10:41 am, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>> I am trying to picture where that would be. Somewhere near the
>> trainspotters platform?
Interesting site, naming it 'overground' could be confusing in the light of
curent developments though...
Paul
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Aug 12, 2007 10:44
On Aug 12, 12:00 pm, Mr Thant
googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:41 am, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I am trying to picture where that would be. Somewhere near the
>> trainspotters platform?
>
> Sorry, I linked to the wrong page:http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/f/finsbury_park/index.shtml
>
> The street map on that page shows the route of the viaduct through the
> park.
>
> The first two photos here show what the junction looked like from the
> branch end, facing the park:http://overground.doeth.net/heights/
>
> The ECML runs left to right underneath the bridges. Northbound trains
> arrive from the ramp on the right, directly from the main ECML
> formation. Southbound trains turn left, crossing the whole main line,
> then use the viaduct alongside the park to reach FP station.
> ...
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Author: somersetchrissomersetchris Date: Aug 12, 2007 11:12
I can talk about the line from Dalston to Finsbury Park with a little
extra knowledge as I am a train driver who goes over these lines
regularly.
First of all at Dalston there will be a complete remodelling done when
the ELL arrives there. It would not be hard for the trains to be able
to go to Finsbury Park via Canonbury tunnel when this remodelling is
done. I have not seen the plans for the junction, but I suspect that
there will be a lead from the ELL towards the number 1 lines at Dalston
(the number one lines are the lines with overheads, number 2s have third
rail).
On leaving Canonbury tunnel the lines then proceed to Finsbury Park
past Drayton Park station (new platforms if ELL extended?). A junction
could be put in to allow the trains to run to Finsbury Park over the
line which goes to Moorgate. The actual line which now goes to Finsbury
Park could become a bi directional line allowing trains to run towards
Canonbury.
At Finsbury Park trains to Canonbury could use the platform alongside
platform 6 which is currently redundant and trains to Highgate would
use platform 6.
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Aug 12, 2007 14:10
> First of all at Dalston there will be a complete remodelling done when
> the ELL arrives there. It would not be hard for the trains to be able
> to go to Finsbury Park via Canonbury tunnel when this remodelling is
> done. I have not seen the plans for the junction, but I suspect that
> there will be a lead from the ELL towards the number 1 lines at Dalston
> (the number one lines are the lines with overheads, number 2s have third
> rail).
That's still a flat junction, so I'm not sure it's operationally any
better than crossing all the tracks at the Canonbury end.
> The actual line which now goes to Finsbury
> Park could become a bi directional line allowing trains to run towards
> Canonbury.
The expensive-to-fix bottleneck that would leave you with might be
enough to kill the whole project.
> So what is required is new points [...] at the junction of the Parkland walk.
The walk currently ends with a blunt abutment high above the ECML, and
at a fairly sharp angle to it. It requires a lot more than points.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Aug 12, 2007 14:27
> The expensive-to-fix bottleneck that would leave you with might be
> enough to kill the whole project.
>
>> So what is required is new points [...] at the junction of the Parkland
>> walk.
>
> The walk currently ends with a blunt abutment high above the ECML, and
> at a fairly sharp angle to it. It requires a lot more than points.
>
I was having a look at your blog last night, stacks of info there, certainly
easier to look things up than on the LU site!
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