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Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Tristan Miller
Date: Apr 3, 2008 12:06

Greetings.

What is the purpose of the "open" buttons on the doors of the London
Underground carriages? On every Underground train I've used, the doors
open automatically at every station. Is/was there a time or place where
they don't open automatically and the buttons must be used?

Regards,
Tristan

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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Apr 3, 2008 13:15

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Tristan Miller wrote:
> What is the purpose of the "open" buttons on the doors of the London
> Underground carriages? On every Underground train I've used, the doors
> open automatically at every station. Is/was there a time or place where
> they don't open automatically and the buttons must be used?

Yes - the past. It used to be the case, AIUI, that the driver didn't open
all the doors when the train stopped at a station on the surface, at least
if it was cold and/or wet and not too busy. Then, you'd have to push the
button to open the door. However, this seems to have been too confusing
for passengers, and now all doors always open all the time (except when
they don't).

tom

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Through the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see.
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Mr Thant
Date: Apr 3, 2008 13:39

On 3 Apr, 21:15, Tom Anderson wrote:
> Yes - the past.

And the future. The air-conditioned S stock will have doors that
automatically close if the train stands in a station too long, to keep
the cold air in, and it'll have working door open buttons to get them
open again.

U

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A blog about transport projects in London
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: James Farrar
Date: Apr 3, 2008 13:43

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:15:19 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Tristan Miller wrote:
>
>> What is the purpose of the "open" buttons on the doors of the London
>> Underground carriages? On every Underground train I've used, the doors
>> open automatically at every station. Is/was there a time or place where
>> they don't open automatically and the buttons must be used?
>
>Yes - the past. It used to be the case, AIUI, that the driver didn't open
>all the doors when the train stopped at a station on the surface, at least
>if it was cold and/or wet and not too busy. Then, you'd have to push the
>button to open the door. However, this seems to have been too confusing
>for passengers, and now all doors always open all the time (except when
>they don't).
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Paul Scott
Date: Apr 3, 2008 13:50

"James Farrar" gmail.com> wrote in message
news:53gav3hvbjlqnmhnvo68ig8bmbq6sf6u32@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:15:19 +0100, Tom Anderson
> wrote:
>
>>Yes - the past. It used to be the case, AIUI, that the driver didn't open
>>all the doors when the train stopped at a station on the surface, at least
>>if it was cold and/or wet and not too busy. Then, you'd have to push the
>>button to open the door. However, this seems to have been too confusing
>>for passengers, and now all doors always open all the time (except when
>>they don't).
> I have heard two possible explanations: one (as you stated) being that
> passengers were confused; the other being that there were fears of
> passengers using close-door buttons to close the doors on other
> passengers.

I have heard that the delay caused while pax (both on the train and
platform) realised that they had to open the doors themselves made it
impossible to keep to the timetable...

Paul S
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: MIG
Date: Apr 3, 2008 14:11

On Apr 3, 9:50 pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "James Farrar" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:53gav3hvbjlqnmhnvo68ig8bmbq6sf6u32@4ax.com...
>
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:15:19 +0100, Tom Anderson
>> wrote:
>
>>>Yes - the past. It used to be the case, AIUI, that the driver didn't open
>>>all the doors when the train stopped at a station on the surface, at least
>>>if it was cold and/or wet and not too busy. Then, you'd have to push the
>>>button to open the door. However, this seems to have been too confusing
>>>for passengers, and now all doors always open all the time (except when
>>>they don't).
>> I have heard two possible explanations: one (as you stated) being that
>> passengers were confused; the other being that there were fears of
>> passengers using close-door buttons to close the doors on other
>> passengers.
> ...
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Standing at HN28 signal
Date: Apr 3, 2008 15:04

On 3 Apr, 22:11, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
> For some reason the guards don't have the same problem in the 455s.- Hide quoted text -

Yes they do!! They now have to actually get out onto the platform
before putting the release up! So now passengers furiously stab at the
buttons wondering why the doors have not opened straight away like
they used to!! As well as that, the ex-508 TSO carriages need a longer
button press to get the doors open, so a 455/7, a guard doing it how
they want it and the great unwashed all equals....dismay!!
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Date: Apr 3, 2008 17:33

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:04:34 -0700 (PDT), Standing at HN28 signal
yahoo.co.uk> wrote this gibberish:
>On 3 Apr, 22:11, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> For some reason the guards don't have the same problem in the 455s.- Hide quoted text -
>
>Yes they do!! They now have to actually get out onto the platform
>before putting the release up! So now passengers furiously stab at the
>buttons wondering why the doors have not opened straight away like
>they used to!! As well as that, the ex-508 TSO carriages need a longer
>button press to get the doors open, so a 455/7, a guard doing it how
>they want it and the great unwashed all equals....dismay!!

More than once I've spent a tiring day going around London on the tube
and then done a journey, very late and very tired, on a mainline train
and when it arrived at my station I just stood there like a muppet
waiting for the doors to open, many seconds pass before I realise and
press the button.

some days the brain is in neutral at 1am...
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: John Rowland
Date: Apr 3, 2008 18:18

Mr Thant wrote:
>
> The air-conditioned S stock will have doors that
> automatically close if the train stands in a station too long, to keep
> the cold air in, and it'll have working door open buttons to get them
> open again.

Maybe they should have revolving doors on the trains.

I was once on a crush loaded tube train which pulled into a busy station,
but no-one wanted to board at our particular door, so the outside button was
not pushed. The people inside all had our backs crushed against the curved
door, and when we realised that the door wasn't opening, no-one could work
out where the door button was. Extra door buttons on the ceiling would solve
the problem, or sensors which automatically open [unlocked] doors if the
carriage is crowded.
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Re: Door open buttons on London Underground         


Author: Tristan Miller
Date: Apr 4, 2008 12:04

Greetings.

In article <53gav3hvbjlqnmhnvo68ig8bmbq6sf6u32@4ax.com>, James Farrar
wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:15:19 +0100, Tom Anderson
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Tristan Miller wrote:
>>
>>> What is the purpose of the "open" buttons on the doors of the London
>>> Underground carriages? On every Underground train I've used, the doors
>>> open automatically at every station. Is/was there a time or place
>>> where they don't open automatically and the buttons must be used?
>
> I have heard two possible explanations: one (as you stated) being that
> passengers were confused; the other being that there were fears of
> passengers using close-door buttons to close the doors on other
> passengers.
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