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Author: MIGMIG Date: Apr 27, 2008 16:47
I've got some queries that might take a bit of working out and could
take a bit of time and money to test.
The PAYG fare from the southern end of the DLR to Bethnal Green (zone
2) is £1, which presumably means that it is assumed to involve going
via Stratford.
If one went on PAYG via Bank, touching only at the start and end of
the journey, it wouldn't know the difference and would charge £1, and
anyone checking on the way would see that you'd touched in and have no
complaint.
Question 1: If you touched at the mysterious readers at Bank DLR,
would it treat it as a continuation of a journey nevertheless always
priced at £1, or would it work out that you'd been via zone 1 and
charge £1.50/£2?
If you had a zone 1 and 2 travelcard loaded on the Oyster, went via
Bank and didn't touch beforehand, it would let you through the gates
at Bethnal Green and would be valid if it was checked on the DLR on
the way to Bank whether you touched in or not.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Apr 28, 2008 01:52
On 28 Apr, 00:47, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:> I've got some queries that might take a bit of working out and could
> take a bit of time and money to test.
>
> The PAYG fare from the southern end of the DLR to Bethnal Green (zone
> 2) is £1, which presumably means that it is assumed to involve going
> via Stratford.
Indeed.
>
> If one went on PAYG via Bank, touching only at the start and end of
> the journey, it wouldn't know the difference and would charge £1, and
> anyone checking on the way would see that you'd touched in and have no
> complaint.
>
Yes, AFAICS that's fine.
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Apr 28, 2008 02:26
On 28 Apr, 09:52, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:> On 28 Apr, 00:47, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I've got some queries that might take a bit of working out and could
>> take a bit of time and money to test.
>
>> The PAYG fare from the southern end of the DLR to Bethnal Green (zone
>> 2) is £1, which presumably means that it is assumed to involve going
>> via Stratford.
>
> Indeed.
You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
Church/Road and Mile End.
>> Question 1: If you touched at the mysterious readers at Bank DLR,
>> would it treat it as a continuation of a journey nevertheless always
>> priced at £1, or would it work out that you'd been via zone 1 and
>> charge £1.50/£2?
>
> You'd be charged the via zone 1 fare.
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Apr 28, 2008 03:22
On 28 Apr, 10:26, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:> On 28 Apr, 09:52, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 28 Apr, 00:47, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> I've got some queries that might take a bit of working out and could
>>> take a bit of time and money to test.
>
>>> The PAYG fare from the southern end of the DLR to Bethnal Green (zone
>>> 2) is £1, which presumably means that it is assumed to involve going
>>> via Stratford.
>
>> Indeed.
>
> You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
> Church/Road and Mile End.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Apr 28, 2008 03:25
Mr Thant wrote:
> On 28 Apr, 09:52, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 28 Apr, 00:47, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I've got some queries that might take a bit of working out and could
>>> take a bit of time and money to test.
>>
>>> The PAYG fare from the southern end of the DLR to Bethnal Green (zone
>>> 2) is £1, which presumably means that it is assumed to involve going
>>> via Stratford.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
> Church/Road and Mile End.
>
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Author: asdfasdf Date: Apr 29, 2008 08:10
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:22:58 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
>> You can also get to Bethnal Green without going to Z3, changing at Bow
>> Church/Road and Mile End.
>
>Ah right. That messes up my query. I wonder if there is another
>route that is priced via outer zones making it normally cheaper but
>which could be done via zone 1 with a period travelcard? Will need to
>think. The original was due to the fact that I really was thinking of
>going to Bethnal Green (although didn't).
Make the destination Hackney Wick instead of Bethnal Green.
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Author: asdfasdf Date: Apr 29, 2008 08:30
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:47:00 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
>Question 1: If you touched at the mysterious readers at Bank DLR,
>would it treat it as a continuation of a journey nevertheless always
>priced at £1, or would it work out that you'd been via zone 1 and
>charge £1.50/£2?
What happens here depends on whether the validator is (still) set to
"Entry only", as someone once said here.
What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?
(Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)
Exit Lift to KWS
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*---B------*-----*--V---DLR
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C,N,D&C
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Author: asdfasdf Date: Apr 29, 2008 08:53
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T wrote:
>> I don't know if you would. I think we've concluded before that you're
>> always charged based on your end points, regardless of where you touch
>> during your journey (within reason).
>
>The basic point being that if an end-to-end journey is charged as via
>zone 1 for any of its length (because one touches-in/out in zone 1
>even on a standalone Oyster reader), the whole journey is then charged
>on the basis of being via zone 1 and one is not refunded as if one did
>not travel through zone 1. (There was a recent example of this from a
>poster here that I'll try and dig up.)
>Anyway MIG has successfully piqued my interest enough to persuade me
>to waste (yet) more of my money on conducting a few experiments, which
>I will do in the not-too-distant future and then report back here.
What experiments are you planning? I'd be interested in making a
prediction on the outcome beforehand and seeing if my understanding of
the underlying system is correct.
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Apr 29, 2008 09:13
On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:
> What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
> right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?
Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.
> (Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)
Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Apr 29, 2008 10:01
On 29 Apr, 17:13, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:> On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:
>
>> What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
>> right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?
>
> Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
> rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
> ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.
>
>> (Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)
>
> Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
> the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
> departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).
Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.
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