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Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Dave
Date: Dec 25, 2007 12:34

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23429410-details/Crossrail+link+to...

A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

Transport minister Tom Harris is looking at whether the cross-London rail
line can be linked to Reading without significantly increasing the cost of
the project.

The decision is understood to be "evenly balanced".

Construction on the long-delayed project will start in 2010 with the first
trains running in 2017.

The 74-mile route stretches from Maidenhead in the east to Canary Wharf and
beyond by way of Heathrow, the West End and the City.

With the scheme expected to benefit the economy by as much as £68billion
over the next few decades, Ministers have faced sustained lobbying from MPs
anxious for their constituencies to be linked to the route.

Extending the line to Reading could be done without having to amend the
Crossrail Bill, which has just passed through the House of Commons.

One possibility is to give the go ahead to the extension in principle but
not guaranteeing it will be built until finances are clearer.

D
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Dec 26, 2007 01:27

In message eclipse.net.uk>, at
20:34:52 on Tue, 25 Dec 2007, Dave p.com> remarked:
>One possibility is to give the go ahead to the extension in principle
>but not guaranteeing it will be built until finances are clearer.

Isn't that the regime that all railway building projects operate under,
anyway? The SPILL box and several remaining bits of Thameslink spring to
mind, let alone any of the Crossrail scheme.
--
Roland Perry
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: D7666
Date: Dec 26, 2007 04:58

On Dec 26, 1:27 am, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:
> Isn't that the regime that all railway building projects operate under,
> anyway? The SPILL box

The box was guaranteed.

The station was the bit that was funded later.

--
Nick
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Dec 26, 2007 05:22

In message
<7595cc75-d8b9-4f00-82e5-a1e93d964b11@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, at
04:58:25 on Wed, 26 Dec 2007, D7666 hotmail.com> remarked:
>> Isn't that the regime that all railway building projects operate under,
>> anyway? The SPILL box
>
>The box was guaranteed.
>
>The station was the bit that was funded later.

Exactly my point. They got the go-ahead to built the box on the
assumption that they'd be able to get funding for the fitout later.
Which in this case it did - but it's not always the case.
--
Roland Perry
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Adrian the Rock
Date: Dec 26, 2007 05:42

"Dave" p.com> wrote:
>A decision on whether to extend the
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Date: Dec 26, 2007 05:55

"Adrian the Rock" roscalen.com> wrote in message
news:47725881.1679500@news.demon.co.uk
> "Dave" p.com> wrote:
>
> The other extension to Crossrail that seems fairly obvious to me is to
> extend the trains currently planned to terminate at Paddington up the
> former GW&GC joint line. Bring the Old Oak - Northolt East line back
> into proper use, rebuild the main line platforms at Greenford, making
> this the first stop out of Padd, then run all-stations to Princes
> Risboro and Aylesbury (some trains probably terminating at High
> Wycombe). But this is clearly too extensive to be sensible to include
> in the initial project.

Wasn't something like this in some of the earlier Crossrail iterations?
At one stage it was going to take over all Aylesbury services, as well
as Met services to Amersham.
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: D7666
Date: Dec 26, 2007 05:57

On Dec 26, 5:42 am, adr...@roscalen.com (Adrian the Rock) wrote:
> one thing often does lead to the next. The example I always think of
> is Bed-Pan electrification - as soon as that was done a strong
> business case for the original Thameslink project emerged.

Except that is not how it happened at all.

The 1990s Snow Hill link was a GLC driven idea simply to link
Blackfriars with Farringdon. It had very little to do with any BedPan
or subsequent TL development. TL2000 formed its own business case once
Snow Hill was in place - or at least under way.

--
Nick
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Paul Weaver
Date: Dec 27, 2007 08:46

On 25 Dec, 20:34, "Dave" p.com> wrote:
> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23429410-details/Cross...
>
> A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
> will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.

If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
passangers from the Slough->Reading corridor -- a slow service, or
none at all. When I lived in Twyford there were fast services that
stopped maidenhead/burnham/taplow/slough/hayes/ealing/paddington, they
then added in west drayton, iver and langley when they stopped the
slough all-stops for Heathrow Connect, severly worsening service for
the Slough->Reading corridor. An all stops service will be painful,
especially as frequency won't increase.
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Dec 27, 2007 09:26

In message
q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, at
08:46:24 on Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Paul Weaver isorox.co.uk>
remarked:
>> A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
>> will be made in the New Year, it emerged today.
>
>If it is, then presumably the current semifast services from Reading
>will be relegated to all-stops, and there won't be much choice for
>passangers from the Slough->Reading corridor

Is that what another poster referred to in a different thread as "St
Alban-isation"? (I took this to be a reference to BedPan electrification
meaning mainline services no longer stopped there).
--
Roland Perry
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Re: Crossrail link to Reading hangs in the balance         


Author: Colin McKenzie
Date: Dec 27, 2007 10:35

Adrian the Rock wrote:
> "Dave" p.com> wrote:
>>A decision on whether to extend the £16billion Crossrail scheme to Reading
>>will be made in the New Year, it emerged today...
> Good news that they're giving this question a second thought. I
> suspect, however, that even if they decided to stick with Maidenhead
> for the initial development, the case to extend to Reading
> subsequently would be so compelling that it'd happen one way or the
> other anyway.

Big benefit of Crossrail is not having to change at current termini.
If you're far enough out, it's better to get a fast train to the
terminus and change anyway.

I hope the principle that Crossrail should be all-stations has been
established.

For journeys to/from London, this means Maidenhead is probably about
right. Reading is a big traffic-generator, and if it wants to fund the
extension, no problem.

If any trains are extended to Reading, though, I'd say it should be
the Heathrow ones, not the Maidenhead ones.
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