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Author: spam_all_you_wantspam_all_you_want Date: Mar 27, 2008 10:50
It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit. In such
situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
Will stepping on a live rail result in immediate death? What is the
safe distance from a live rail? Is it safe to tread on a live rail
with only one foot with the other in the air, in order to avoid
earthing the current?
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Author: Graeme WallGraeme Wall Date: Mar 27, 2008 11:09
> It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
> potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit. In such
> situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
> would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
>
> What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
Don't.
>
> There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
> usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
There are 4 rails, all carry electrical currents at different potentials.
>
> Will stepping on a live rail result in immediate death?
Not unlikely
> What is the safe distance from a live rail?
The platform.
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Author: Charles EllsonCharles Ellson Date: Mar 27, 2008 11:35
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT), spam_all_you_want@ yahoo.com
wrote:
>It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
>potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit. In such
>situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
>would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
>
>What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
>
>There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
>usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
>
>Will stepping on a live rail result in immediate death? What is the
>safe distance from a live rail? Is it safe to tread on a live rail
>with only one foot with the other in the air, in order to avoid
>earthing the current?
>
"Do not step on any rail".
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Author: spam_all_you_wantspam_all_you_want Date: Mar 27, 2008 11:53
On 27 Mar, 18:09, Graeme Wall greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
>
> Don't.
So, your recommendation would be to remain on the platform and be
assaulted? I'm sure the death-rate for crossing tracks is not
negligible, but surely it is not as high as the death-rate from being
stabbed in the chest?
>> There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
>> usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
>
> There are 4 rails, all carry electrical currents at different potentials.
So just avoid all of them then? Thanks for the info. Could be
especially useful if the assailants attempt to give chase and are
unaware of what will happen to them if they tread on the rails.
>> What is the safe distance from a live rail?
>
> The platform.
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Author: Graeme WallGraeme Wall Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:05
> On 27 Mar, 18:09, Graeme Wall greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
>>
>> Don't.
>
> So, your recommendation would be to remain on the platform and be
> assaulted? I'm sure the death-rate for crossing tracks is not
> negligible, but surely it is not as high as the death-rate from being
> stabbed in the chest?
How many people have been electrocuted by live rails and how many have been
stabbed on Underground stations?
>
>>> There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
>>> usually about 5.
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Author: Jane SullivanJane Sullivan Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:06
>It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
>potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit. In such
>situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
>would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
As I understand it you cannot cross the rails to another platform on the
tube except where the stations are in the open air. On the sub-surface
lines (i.e. not the tube), you can, though.
>
>What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
By the footbridge, subway or equivalent.
>
>There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
>usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
You should assume that all of them are live.
>
>Will stepping on a live rail result in immediate death?
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Author: David HansenDavid Hansen Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:27
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be
spam_all_you_want@ yahoo.com this:-
Nice try. I have removed one group.
>It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
>potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit.
Anyone could be a potential assailant. There are many situations
where one could be a long way from an exit with people ("potential
assailants") between one and the exit, so the fact that the tube has
been picked on is interesting.
>In such
>situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
>would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
Tube stations seldom have adjacent platforms which one could cross
the line to. That is because tube stations are in tube tunnels. Even
if there was an adjacent platform one would have to cross the
suicide pit to reach it.
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Author: Charles EllsonCharles Ellson Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:28
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:53:37 -0700 (PDT), spam_all_you_want@ yahoo.com
wrote:
>On 27 Mar, 18:09, Graeme Wall greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
>>
>> Don't.
>
>So, your recommendation would be to remain...
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Author: David HansenDavid Hansen Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:40
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:53:37 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be
spam_all_you_want@ yahoo.com wrote this:-
>> There are 4 rails, all carry electrical currents at different potentials.
>
>So just avoid all of them then?
That is good advice. The best way of doing this is to remain on the
platform.
>I live near a tube track and have, over the years, seen thousands of
>workmen cross the tracks (as well as a few drunk teenagers). They all
>survived,
Not all of them do. Go to news.bbc.co.uk and type "girl
electrocuted" and "boy electrocuted" into the search box you will
read of many of those who did not.
You will have to look harder to find stories about staff who have
been killed, but it does happen.
>so your statement that it is impossible to get near a track safely
Not a statement he made. What is untrue is your distortion of what
he did say.
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Author: AdrianAdrian Date: Mar 27, 2008 12:44
On Mar 27, 10:50 am, spam_all_you_w...@ yahoo.com wrote: > It is very easy to find oneself on a tube platform with a group of
> potential assailants positioned between oneself and the exit. In such
> situations the only means of escape, should the group turn hostile,
> would be across the tracks to the neighbouring platform.
>
> What is the recommended method of crossing tracks in these situations?
>
> There seem to be a variable number of rails making up the tracks,
> usually about 5. Which of these are 'live'?
>
> Will stepping on a live rail result in immediate death? What is the
> safe distance from a live rail? Is it safe to tread on a live rail
> with only one foot with the other in the air, in order to avoid
> earthing the current?
A Mr. Charles Bronson gave many demonstrations on how to handle such
situations. I cite his excellent series of movies titled "Death Wish
_"
Adrian
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