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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Aug 28, 2008 18:48
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 29, 2008 01:41
On Aug 29, 2:48 am, "John Rowland"
journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I'm guessing because Thames Water will be paying for this themselves
via bank loans etc whereas crossrail is to be publicly funded and
politicians get twitchy when any large amounts of money have to be
spent even for badly needed transport links. Of course if its
something utterly pointless but high profile in the world like the
Olympics and they can bask in reflected glory and leave a legacy then
its a blank cheque to Mr Coe & Co. Sickening but thats politicians for
you.
B2003
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Author: Tom BarryTom Barry Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:25
Boltar wrote:
> On Aug 29, 2:48 am, "John Rowland"
> journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> I'm guessing because Thames Water will be paying for this themselves
> via bank loans etc whereas crossrail is to be publicly funded and
> politicians get twitchy when any large amounts of money have to be
> spent even for badly needed transport links. Of course if its
> something utterly pointless but high profile in the world like the
> Olympics and they can bask in reflected glory and leave a legacy then
> its a blank cheque to Mr Coe & Co...
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:41
On Aug 29, 10:25 am, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Thames Water will presumably be paying for it, as opposed to merely
> borrowing for it, by persuading OFWAT to put up water rates, of course.
I doubt even thames water has 2 billion spare in the piggy bank. It'll
be corporate loans which will put up water bills as they spend 10
years paying off the debt + interest.
B2003
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Author: Richard J.Richard J. Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:46
Tom Barry wrote:
> Boltar wrote:
>> On Aug 29, 2:48 am, "John Rowland"
>> journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I'm guessing because Thames Water will be paying for this themselves
>> via bank loans etc whereas crossrail is to be publicly funded and
>> politicians get twitchy when any large amounts of money have to be
>> spent even for badly needed transport links. Of course if its
>> something utterly pointless but high profile in the world like the
>> Olympics and they can bask in reflected glory and leave a legacy then
>> its a blank cheque to Mr Coe & Co. Sickening but thats politicians
>> for you.
>
> Or, more seriously, because there is only one tunnel and no huge ...
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Aug 29, 2008 05:31
In message news.demon.co.uk>, at 02:48:12 on Fri,
29 Aug 2008, John Rowland journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk>
remarked:
>Apparently a 7-metre diameter tunnel will be built from Chiswick to
>Beckton... Why does it seem so easy to do this sort of thing, and so hard to
>dig a railway?
A tunnel like that can have more up and down wiggles than a railway
tunnel, and doesn't need stations either.
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Roland Perry
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Author: Batman55Batman55 Date: Aug 29, 2008 05:50
"Roland Perry" perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kLaI31SXw+tIFAmN@perry.co.uk...
> In message news.demon.co.uk>, at 02:48:12 on Fri,
> 29 Aug 2008, John Rowland journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk>
> remarked:
>>Apparently a 7-metre diameter tunnel will be built from Chiswick to
>>Beckton... Why does it seem so easy to do this sort of thing, and so hard
>>to
>>dig a railway?
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> A tunnel like that can have more up and down wiggles than a railway
> tunnel, and doesn't need stations either.
> --
> Roland Perry
Effluent isn't my field so to speak, but Bazelgette's sewers were purely
gravity run, I believe. Would these ones need wayside pumps?
MaxB
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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Aug 29, 2008 06:37
Roland Perry wrote:
> In message news.demon.co.uk>, at 02:48:12 on
> Fri, 29 Aug 2008, John Rowland
> journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> Apparently a 7-metre diameter tunnel will be built from Chiswick to
>> Beckton... Why does it seem so easy to do this sort of thing, and so
>> hard to dig a railway?
>
> A tunnel like that can have more up and down wiggles than a railway
> tunnel, and doesn't need stations either.
It can certainly have more left-right wiggles, but I think any parts that
are not downhill require a pumping station.
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Aug 29, 2008 06:35
>>>Apparently a 7-metre diameter tunnel will be built from Chiswick to
>>>Beckton... Why does it seem so easy to do this sort of thing, and so hard
>>>to
>>>dig a railway?
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>> A tunnel like that can have more up and down wiggles than a railway
>> tunnel, and doesn't need stations either.
>
>Effluent isn't my field so to speak, but Bazelgette's sewers were purely
>gravity run, I believe. Would these ones need wayside pumps?
If Chiswick is uphill from Beckton, which seems likely, then maybe it
would flow by gravity/siphon effect.
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Roland Perry
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Aug 29, 2008 07:05
On Aug 29, 1:31 pm, Roland Perry perry.co.uk> wrote:
> A tunnel like that can have more up and down wiggles than a railway
> tunnel, and doesn't need stations either.
Last time I looked water wasn't very good at flowing up hill.
B2003
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