Evening all,

Firstly, what, if any, effect has the charge had on safety? Are there
fewer road casualties in central London now? More? Have they been
displaced? Anyone know of any data?

Secondly, why is it being extended westward? Why not to the north, where i
live, so i can ride to work more easily? Is the west more congested, or
more in need of better bus services? Or does Ken just like people in the
west more? Or particularly hate western drivers?

tom

Tom Anderson wrote:

Would it not be great if it was extended to cover all of Britain, then
only drivers of foreign vehicles would have to pay.

Tom Anderson wrote:

It does make some sense for an extension Westbound to cover the whole
of Travelcard Zone 1 and at least the whole of the Circle Line. Pushing
the boundary all the way to Harlesden (near Willesden Junction station)
seems a bit extreme (unless they've changed the boundary). And does
this all mean that Harrow Road and Scrubs Lane will become primary
because neither of them are now.

Colum Mylod wrote:

Does the route then follow Barlby Road (not even a classified road) or
does it head along the B412 (St Quintin Avenue, St Marks Road and
Cambridge Gardens) up to Ladbroke Grove. Most of these are fairly
narrow residential streets.

The thing is that I think many people in London don't object to the
congestion charge in the centre so much because there is fairly good
public transport to the centre - after all the underground lines do all
go to the centre of London.

On 4 Oct 2006 07:04:01 -0700, "Earl Purple" gmail.com>
wrote:

The boundary will be formed by the railway line that crosses over
North Pole Road so Barlby Road etc will be inside and chargeable (but
the cameras are at NPole Rd and at the top of Ladbroke Grove where the
roundabout leads to Sainsbury's, allowing free access to the big
shop). Oddly the camera before that rbt seems to cover entrance but
not exit. The side streets bordering Wood Lane will be uncharged but
residents there will have access to the 90%% discount.

In that neck of the woods almost all of K&C is inside except the bits
to the south of the Harrow Road towards Sainsbos. My guess is that the
few pinch points were chosen as the edge with Sainos arguing
successfully for exemption. The xM41 and Westway will not be covered,
which could be interesting if the new shopping centre gains a few new
roads into K&C territory.

In message <1159970641.832665.33990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Earl
Purple gmail.com> writes

I certainly is in Moscow.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Colum Mylod wrote:

So Colum, how many people get to Oxford Street by car, then?

tom

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 google@woodall.me.uk wrote:

Ah, good!

Good point. I'm not sure how you could figure that out; presumably, the
spike in cycling after the 7/7 bombings, which i assume was not associated
with a drop in driving, could be analysed to see if it led to reduced
casualties, which would at least give a hint.

tom

Colum Mylod wrote:

Impossible to have an extension too far. IMHO the boundary for the
congestion charge should be the M25, with a minimum charge of £50.

If I had any doubts about voting for Ken next time, those doubts have
now been erased.

Patrick

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:38:43 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

No hard numbers but the report (looking for it) favouring the tram and
an improvement to Oxford St did state the White City complex would
pull the west/north of London big spenders away from the street. No
details were given if they were users of car parks nearby or how they
got there.