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Author: Walter Briscoe
Date: Sep 1, 2008 23:44

I am surprised not to see a reference to
<http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharging/westernextension/
default.aspx>

I find it interesting that the census questions do not distinguish
drivers and non-drivers. They also redundantly ask for a respondent's
post code and whether the respondent lives in the western extension
zone.

It looks as if the result will be to modify the implementation.
I go for that. Although I think the western extension was a bad idea, I
think scrapping the hardware would be unconscionable.
--
Walter Briscoe
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: solomonsky
Date: Sep 2, 2008 05:12

On Sep 2, 7:44 am, Walter Briscoe nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I am surprised not to see a reference to
> <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharging/westernextension/
> default.aspx>
>
> I find it interesting that the census questions do not distinguish
> drivers and non-drivers. They also redundantly ask for a respondent's
> post code and whether the respondent lives in the western extension
> zone.
>
> It looks as if the result will be to modify the implementation.
> I go for that. Although I think the western extension was a bad idea, I
> think scrapping the hardware would be unconscionable.
> --
> Walter Briscoe

This is interesting:
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: James Farrar
Date: Sep 2, 2008 09:24

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:12:55 -0700 (PDT), solomonsky@googlemail.com
wrote:
>shovelling money into the Venezuelan state oil company

Um, that was a Livingstone policy.
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: John B
Date: Sep 2, 2008 09:50

On Sep 2, 5:24 pm, James Farrar gmail.com> wrote:
>>shovelling money into the Venezuelan state oil company
>
> Um, that was a Livingstone policy.

No, that was taking money *from* the Venezuelan state oil company.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: James Farrar
Date: Sep 2, 2008 11:25

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT), John B johnband.org>
wrote:
>On Sep 2, 5:24 pm, James Farrar gmail.com> wrote:
>>>shovelling money into the Venezuelan state oil company
>>
>> Um, that was a Livingstone policy.
>
>No, that was taking money *from* the Venezuelan state oil company.

Didn't it involve buying fuel from them at a reduced price? That's
still giving our money to them.
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: Colin McKenzie
Date: Sep 2, 2008 12:35

Walter Briscoe wrote:
> I am surprised not to see a reference to
> <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharging/westernextension/
> default.aspx>
>
> I find it interesting that the census questions do not distinguish
> drivers and non-drivers. They also redundantly ask for a respondent's
> post code and whether the respondent lives in the western extension zone.

How did you get it to work? It just says 'invalid email address' when I
answer the first question (with 2 different browsers).

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Sep 2, 2008 15:43

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, James Farrar wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT), John B johnband.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 2, 5:24 pm, James Farrar gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> shovelling money into the Venezuelan state oil company
>>>
>>> Um, that was a Livingstone policy.
>>
>> No, that was taking money *from* the Venezuelan state oil company.
>
> Didn't it involve buying fuel from them at a reduced price? That's still
> giving our money to them.

What it actually involved was them paying us 20%% of what we spent on
diesel. From any source. No actual oil came from Venezuela - at least, not
specifically; i imagine some of the diesel we bought was once Venezuelan
dinosaurs or whatever.

See:

http://www.london.gov.uk/assembly/budgmtgs/2007/mar22/minutes/appendix.pdf
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: Walter Briscoe
Date: Sep 3, 2008 01:22

In message <_P2dnb6cetjYCCDVnZ2dnUVZ8tfinZ2d@posted.plusnet> of Tue, 2
Sep 2008 20:35:28 in uk.transport.london, Colin McKenzie
proof-read.co.uk> writes
>Walter Briscoe wrote:
>> I am surprised not to see a reference to
>><http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/roadusers/congestioncharging/westernextensio>>n/
>> default.aspx>
>> I find it interesting that the census questions do not distinguish
>>drivers and non-drivers. They also redundantly ask for a respondent's
>>post code and whether the respondent lives in the western extension zone.
>
>How did you get it to work? It just says 'invalid email address' when I
>answer the first question (with 2 different browsers).

The first question is "Please enter your email address to begin the
survey:" I filled in my real address and clicked "Next" in IE7. If I
filled in a@b or news@proof-read.co.uk, I also got "invalid email
address" but a@b.com worked as does wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk.
[nospam.demon.co.uk is a black hole real domain provided as a service by
a demon user.]
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: Dr J R Stockton
Date: Sep 3, 2008 13:28

In uk.transport.london message freenetname.co.uk>,
Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:22:04, Walter Briscoe nospam.demon.co.uk>
posted:
>
>Did you try a real address?
>I have yet to get an email to ask me to confirm my response is genuine.

It dislikes dots in the left part, apparently. There's a site "contact
us" page that you should be able to use. Continue.

--
(c) John Stockton, near London. *@merlyn.demon.co.uk/?.?.Stockton@physics.org
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Re: Congestion Charge Consultation         


Author: Colin McKenzie
Date: Sep 3, 2008 16:00

Walter Briscoe wrote:
> The first question is "Please enter your email address to begin the
> survey:" I filled in my real address and clicked "Next" in IE7. If I
> filled in a@b or news@proof-read.co.uk, I also got "invalid email
> address" but a@b.com worked as does wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk.
> [nospam.demon.co.uk is a black hole real domain provided as a service by
> a demon user.]
>
> Did you try a real address?

That is a real address! Maybe it doesn't like hyphens in the RHS. Will
experiment with my yahoo address.

Thanks

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.
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