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Author: Tom AndersonTom Anderson Date: Sep 5, 2008 04:26
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All London roads are part of MY London Cycle Network. I'd like to see
some of them removed from the London Motor Network! -- Ben Jefferys
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Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Sep 5, 2008 06:52
Tom Anderson wrote:
Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
office was closed, this would speed up your journey. Unless you're Kim
Jong-il, I don't see that as useful info.
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Author: googlegoogle Date: Sep 5, 2008 07:42
On Sep 5, 2:52 pm, "John Rowland"
journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:> Tom Anderson wrote:
>> Science:
>
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>> I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
>> these ideas in the future.
>
> Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
> office was closed, this would speed up your journey. Unless you're Kim
> Jong-il, I don't see that as useful info.
But that's not what's being claimed. What is being claimed is that by
closing certain links, journey time for everybody can be improved.
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Author: JNugentJNugent Date: Sep 5, 2008 12:09
google@woodall.me.uk wrote:
> "John Rowland" journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> Science:
>>> I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
>>> these ideas in the future.
>> Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
>> office was closed, this would speed up your journey. Unless you're Kim
>> Jong-il, I don't see that as useful info.
> But that's not what's being claimed. What is being claimed is that by
> closing certain links, journey time for everybody can be improved.
Indeed. It looks like good, well-informed and useful research.
Certain road schemes in the UK have actually been built with the same sort of
consideration in mind - and that's going back over four decades. The
best-known example may well be the M6/A452 junction at Castle Bromwich (then
in Warwickshire), opened to traffic in 1971. The junction:
< http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.509339,-1.792595&spn=0.009899,0.019312&z...>
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Author: DougDoug Date: Sep 5, 2008 23:23
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
The source says:
"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,
therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
among its members."
Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.
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Author: DougDoug Date: Sep 5, 2008 23:39
On 5 Sep, 20:09, JNugent noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:> goo...@woodall.me.uk wrote:
>> "John Rowland" journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:>>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
>>> office was closed, this would speed up your journey. Unless you're Kim
>>> Jong-il, I don't see that as useful info.
>> But that's not what's being claimed. What is being claimed is that by
>> closing certain links, journey time for everybody can be improved.
>
> Indeed. It looks like good, well-informed and useful research.
>
> Certain road schemes in the UK have actually been built with the same sort of
> consideration in mind - and that's going back over four decades. The
> best-known example may well be the M6/A452 junction at Castle Bromwich (then
> in Warwickshire), opened to traffic in 1971. The junction: ...
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Author: ®i©ardo®i©ardo Date: Sep 6, 2008 02:07
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Sep, 20:09, JNugent noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:>> goo...@woodall.me.uk wrote:
>>> "John Rowland" journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:>>>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>> Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
>>>> office was closed, this would speed up your journey. Unless you're Kim
>>>> Jong-il, I don't see that as useful info.
>>> But that's not what's being claimed. What is being claimed is that by
>>> closing certain links, journey time for everybody can be improved.
>> Indeed. It looks like good, well-informed and useful research.
>>
>> Certain road schemes in the UK have actually been built with the same sort of
>> consideration in mind - and that's going back over four decades. The
>> best-known example may well be the M6/A452 junction at Castle Bromwich (then
>> in Warwickshire), opened to traffic in 1971. The junction: ...
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Sep 6, 2008 02:09
Doug wrote:
> Closing the M25 would cause massive congestion which in turn would
> reduce traffic journeys. After a period of adjustment it is likely
> that more people would leave their cars at home and a state of
> equilibrium would finally be reached again, but with less traffic.
> What you have to realise is that there is a high proportion of non-
> essential journeys made which are actively encouraged by perpetual
> roadbuilding and these impede essential journeys, such as food
> deliveries.
There seems to be a new phrase we can add to the list of Dougisms,
"perpetual roadbuilding".
(Dougism = a word, term or phrase previously shown to be wrong in fact.)
> Some means has to be found of combating the anti-social and anti-
> environmental habits of many motorists, instead of always giving in to
> their unreasonable consumerist demands.
So what would your solution be Doug? Starting from the basis that people
are, by their very nature, consumers.
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Author: BrimstoneBrimstone Date: Sep 6, 2008 02:11
Doug wrote:
> On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
> The source says:
>
> "Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
> optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
> beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
> Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,
> therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
> among its members."
>
> Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
> give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we. ...
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Author: Colin McKenzieColin McKenzie Date: Sep 6, 2008 04:01
google@woodall.me.uk wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2:52 pm, "John Rowland"
> journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>> Obviously if every side road off your commute between your home and your
>> office was closed, this would speed up your journey. ...
> But that's not what's being claimed. What is being claimed is that by
> closing certain links, journey time for everybody can be improved.
Assuming:-
- that 'everybody' includes only motorised road users
- that those whose journeys are lengthened drive faster to compensate
And it's been happening for years, with the twin aims of getting motor
traffic onto the main corridors and keeping it moving there.
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