|
|
 Up |
|
|
  |
Author: BobBob Date: Aug 23, 2007 23:36
Tube station revamp on the cards if route is split in two
http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/082307/news082307_17.html
quote
Congestion fears as transport chiefs investigate changes to ageing
Northern Line
CAMDEN Town Tube station is being eyed up for redevelopment again - as
Transport for London finalise plans to split the Northern Line into
two separate routes.
Planners believe creating two distinct services...
|
| Show full article (3.05Kb) |
|
| | 47 Comments |
|
|
Author: MIGMIG Date: Aug 24, 2007 00:14
On Aug 24, 7:36 am, Bob virgin.net> wrote:> Tube station revamp on the cards if route is split in two
>
> http://www.thecnj.co.uk/camden/082307/news082307_17.html
>
> quote
> Congestion fears as transport chiefs investigate changes to ageing
> Northern Line
>
> CAMDEN Town Tube station is being eyed up for redevelopment again - as
> Transport for London finalise plans to split the Northern Line into
> two separate routes.
> Planners believe creating two distinct services would allow more
> trains to run every hour.
> The strategy follows a series of private meetings at TfL over the
> summer which has seen the plans discussed at the highest level.
> Its success, however, hinges on Camden Town underground station - the
> congested stop where the two parts of the Northern Line overlap -
> being redeveloped.
> A draft document reveals how one branch would run from Edgware to ...
|
| Show full article (3.47Kb) |
|
| | no comments |
|
|
Author: John BJohn B Date: Aug 24, 2007 02:55
On Aug 24, 8:14 am, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:> It seems to be a common response when a lot of people want to visit an
> attraction, to demolish the attraction in order to build better
> facilities for the visitors ...
>
> They have been trying (and already doing) similar things in Greenwich.
To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
the chavvy Stables market right by the station selling pirated CDs and
'Adihash' t-shirts, and one of the capital's least appealing music
venues. All the worthwhile things - i.e. Camden High Street, Camden
Lock, the Lock market, the Barfly, Jazz Cafe, etc - would be left
intact.
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: John BJohn B Date: Aug 24, 2007 03:04
On Aug 24, 7:36 am, Bob virgin.net> wrote:> Conservative Greater London Authority member for Camden and Barnet
> Brian Coleman said:
> "It is a cover for reducing the service. The service was run
> like this in the past and they changed it to increase trains. Why
> would it work the other way round?"
Hmm...
1) running the Northern Line as two separate lines would reduce delays
and enhance capacity, as shown both by operational experience and flow
modelling; the only reason this is not already done is because of the
Camden bottleneck.
2) TfL is very, very obviously doing its best within its budget to
maximise capacity and increase throughput across London's transport
network, and I'd defy anyone to produce evidence to the contrary
3) unless he means Yerkes' amalgamation of the C&SLR and the CCE&HR in
1924, which may be a little long ago to be representative, there is no
occasion when "the service was run like this in the past and they
changed it to increase trains".
...and people are thinking of making one of this lot the Mayor?
|
| Show full article (1.13Kb) |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: John RowlandJohn Rowland Date: Aug 24, 2007 03:28
John B wrote:
>
> To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
> the chavvy Stables market right by the station
The Stables Market is on Chalk Farm Road, exactly halfway between Camden
Town and Chalk Farm stations.
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: KevKev Date: Aug 24, 2007 04:52
On Aug 24, 11:28 am, "John Rowland"
journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:> John B wrote:
>
>> To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
>> the chavvy Stables market right by the station
>
> The Stables Market is on Chalk Farm Road, exactly halfway between Camden
> Town and Chalk Farm stations.
I have posted before about what I have considered to be the chronic
waste that is the ELLx and how this is sucking up funds when many
other benificial schemes that would affect far more people go
unfunded. More people will probably pass through Camden in a day than
will use the ELLx in a whole year but which scheme gets the money.
Kevin
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Aug 24, 2007 05:22
On Aug 24, 12:52 pm, Kev mwfree.net> wrote:> I have posted before about what I have considered to be the chronic
> waste that is the ELLx and how this is sucking up funds when many
> other benificial schemes that would affect far more people go
> unfunded. More people will probably pass through Camden in a day than
> will use the ELLx in a whole year but which scheme gets the money.
I think it's more about which scheme got planning permission.
Weirdly most of the facts in the posted article are lifted directly
from last year's Transport 2025 planning white paper - there's very
little new here. It'd be interesting to know what this "draft
document" amounts to.
U
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: asdfasdf Date: Aug 24, 2007 05:42
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:55:06 -0700, John B wrote:
>To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
>the chavvy Stables market right by the station selling pirated CDs and
>'Adihash' t-shirts, and one of the capital's least appealing music
>venues.
That might be fair enough if the development was in some way
necessary, but the fact was that the "seven-storey tower of shops and
flats" was entirely gratuitous. It's surprising that they thought
their application had any chance of success.
And while some degree of ground-floor-level development may be
necessary to cater for entry/exit flows, the impending avalance of
interchange traffic that will need to be dealt with if the line is
split won't even be going anywhere near the surface.
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
Author: John BJohn B Date: Aug 24, 2007 05:47
On 24 Aug, 11:28, "John Rowland"
journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:>> To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
>> the chavvy Stables market right by the station
>
> The Stables Market is on Chalk Farm Road, exactly halfway between Camden
> Town and Chalk Farm stations.
doh, I meant Buck Street.
|
| |
| no comments |
|
|
|
|
|
Author: John BJohn B Date: Aug 24, 2007 05:48
On 24 Aug, 13:42, asdf wrote:
>>To be fair, the only things TfL are seeking to destroy in Camden is
>>the chavvy Stables market right by the station selling pirated CDs and
>>'Adihash' t-shirts, and one of the capital's least appealing music
>>venues.
>
> That might be fair enough if the development was in some way
> necessary, but the fact was that the "seven-storey tower of shops and
> flats" was entirely gratuitous. It's surprising that they thought
> their application had any chance of success.
>
> And while some degree of ground-floor-level development may be
> necessary to cater for entry/exit flows, the impending avalance of
> interchange traffic that will need to be dealt with if the line is
> split won't even be going anywhere near the surface.
Wasn't the point that, if TfL were allowed to build a tower of shops
and flats, as well as making that particular part of Camden less
scabby and unpleasant, it would also pay for the redevelopment works?
(see also: Liverpool Street, Charing Cross, etc)
|
| Show full article (1.10Kb) |
| no comments |
|
|
|
|
