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Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 25, 2007 07:23

Prompted by another of today's threads I thought I'd post this.

There is one feature of the TfL Journey Planner I find very useful,
though judging by the reactions from friends and acquaintances when I
point them towards it I don't think it is well known about. It is the
ability to call up a PDF of a bus timetable which appears exactly the
same as those actually displayed at bus stops. (Tram timetables are
available through this facility as well.)

The Timetables lookup facility can be found from the Journey Planner
front page by clicking on the "Timetables" link on the right hand side
under the "See also" text, or by following this link:
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_SEL_STT_REQUEST?sessionID=0&language=en&mode...:*&linePreSel=tfl:63:*
or via <http://tinyurl.com/cfmo3>

The same facility will also give you timetables for Underground
stations, however in most cases these only show the first and last
train from the station and otherwise merely indicate trains "about
every x minutes" - though at least some of the timetables for stations
on the extremities can more illuminating.
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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Nov 25, 2007 08:39

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:23:12 -0800 (PST), Mizter T gmail.com>
wrote:
>Prompted by another of today's threads I thought I'd post this.
>
>There is one feature of the TfL Journey Planner I find very useful,
>though judging by the reactions from friends and acquaintances when I
>point them towards it I don't think it is well known about. It is the
>ability to call up a PDF of a bus timetable which appears exactly the
>same as those actually displayed at bus stops. (Tram timetables are
>available through this facility as well.)

Apologies for raining on your parade but those timetables are not
necessarily the same as appears at local bus stops. It would be good if
they were aligned but they aren't. This aspect of London's information
provision really, really makes me cross.
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Author: Neil Williams
Date: Nov 25, 2007 08:47

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:39:37 +0000, Paul Corfield
dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>Here is an example for my local service. I can tell you unreservedly
>that the stop info at the stop differs from this. I can also tell you it
>is not accurate - the Sunday interval is particularly irksome as it does
>not give the minutes past the hour just because there is one 13 minute
>interval. The real stop info *does* show the minutes past the hour and
>it's essential because who wants to turn up when the bus has just gone
>and there's 15 mins to wait? What a mess.

Agreed. IMO, these "intervals" are only acceptable where the
frequency is better than every 10 minutes. 15 minutes is a long time
to wait in the freezing cold and pouring rain when you don't know when
the bus will turn up.

Neil

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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 25, 2007 09:11

On 25 Nov, 16:39, Paul Corfield dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:23:12 -0800 (PST), Mizter T gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Prompted by another of today's threads I thought I'd post this.
>
>>There is one feature of the TfL Journey Planner I find very useful,
>>though judging by the reactions from friends and acquaintances when I
>>point them towards it I don't think it is well known about. It is the
>>ability to call up a PDF of a bus timetable which appears exactly the
>>same as those actually displayed at bus stops. (Tram timetables are
>>available through this facility as well.)
>
> Apologies for raining on your parade but those timetables are not
> necessarily the same as appears at local bus stops. It would be good if
> they were aligned but they aren't. This aspect of London's information
> provision really, really makes me cross.
>
> In addition far too many of the timetables do not show departure times -
> they simply say every x-y minutes which in most case cases is downright ...
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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Nov 25, 2007 11:07

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:11:59 -0800 (PST), Mizter T gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 25 Nov, 16:39, Paul Corfield dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:23:12 -0800 (PST), Mizter T gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Prompted by another of today's threads I thought...
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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Neil Williams
Date: Nov 25, 2007 14:47

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:07:02 +0000, Paul Corfield
dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>If timetables are "not important" why does TfL insist that one exists
>for every service and why does it agree those timetables and why does it
>have to agree any alteration to the timetable and the underlying
>schedule? The answer is that the schedule is essential to the effective
>running of the service and thus how much that serve costs to run.

The other reason is, AIUI, that you require a tachograph if running a
bus service where a running board is not carried and stuck to as far
as possible. Or does TfL get away with that as it isn't subject to
the normal local bus registration procedure?

Neil

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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Nov 25, 2007 17:39

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
> If you are looking for first and last Underground trains, the "First
> and last Tube" page (linked to on the left of the JP Timetables page)
> is the place to go:
> <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/1129.aspx>

What i want are the maps at (some?) tube platform showing the line, with
each destination marked with home many minutes it takes to get there. This
info isn't hard to extract from the journey planner, but there are times
when it'd be handy.

tom

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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Nov 26, 2007 00:41

On 26 Nov, 01:39, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
>> If you are looking for first and last Underground trains, the "First
>> and last Tube" page (linked to on the left of the JP Timetables page)
>> is the place to go:
>> <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/1129.aspx>
>
> What i want are the maps at (some?) tube platform showing the line, with
> each destination marked with home many minutes it takes to get there. This
> info isn't hard to extract from the journey planner, but there are times
> when it'd be handy.
>
> tom
>

You can get that information, along with a line diagram, by selecting
the station from the drop-down list on that JP Timetables page -
scroll down the page and look for the "Tube timetable - Tube station"
section.
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Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Nov 26, 2007 06:34

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
> On 26 Nov, 01:39, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Mizter T wrote:
>>> If you are looking for first and last Underground trains, the "First
>>> and last Tube" page ...
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Re: Bus timetables from the TfL Journey Planner         


Author: Martyn Dawe
Date: Nov 27, 2007 00:45

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:23:12 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
gmail.com> wrote:
>Prompted by another of today's threads I thought I'd post this.
>
>There is one feature of the TfL Journey Planner I find very useful,
>though judging by the reactions from friends and acquaintances when...
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