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Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Rupert Candy
Date: Jul 5, 2008 03:36

I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet!

Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it
(http://tinyurl.com/5euecn), they've even produced detailed
specifications for the 'serious' competition in proper house style.
These look very businesslike and impressive, with the occasional bit
of humour (Articulated design: No. Doors/Apertures: 1 open platform at
nearside). It's at http://tinyurl.com/6gnvpt if anyone's interested.

I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come
up with a New Routemaster concept a while back - I wonder if they will
enter it. Otherwise, I can't see any of the bus builders taking this
as anything other than the humorous whim of a bored politician...
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Tom Barry
Date: Jul 5, 2008 04:08

Rupert Candy wrote:
> I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet!
>
> Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it
> (http://tinyurl.com/5euecn), they've even produced detailed
> specifications for the 'serious' competition in proper house style.
> These look very businesslike and impressive, with the occasional bit
> of humour (Articulated design: No. Doors/Apertures: 1 open platform at
> nearside). It's at http://tinyurl.com/6gnvpt if anyone's interested.
>
> I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come
> up with a New Routemaster concept a while back - I wonder if they will
> enter it. Otherwise, I can't see any of the bus builders taking this
> as anything other than the humorous whim of a bored politician...
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Jul 5, 2008 05:03

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
>Rupert Candy wrote:
>> I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet!
>>
>> Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it
>> (http://tinyurl.com/5euecn), they've even produced...
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Neil Williams
Date: Jul 5, 2008 05:24

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
> Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507,
>521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door
>entry double deckers).

Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?)
3 axle deckers with stairs at both front and rear? I think that might
have some potential.

Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds.

Neil

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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Jul 5, 2008 05:43

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:24:22 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507,
>>521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door
>>entry double deckers).
>
>Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?)
>3 axle deckers with stairs at both front and rear? I think that might
>have some potential.

13.7m IIRC. Buses of that length would not get round Horseferry Road or
turn at Waterloo round to the garage area. I like the concept but it
wouldn't work and I suspect the 4m height with its "squashed" upper deck
ceiling would be very unpopular in the UK.
>Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds.

Agreed
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Mr Thant
Date: Jul 5, 2008 05:49

On 5 Jul, 13:43, Paul Corfield dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> 13.7m IIRC.  Buses of that length would not get round Horseferry Road or
> turn at Waterloo round to the garage area.  

The design rules do allow a 13.5m maximum length and more than one
staircase, so something similar could win.
>I like the concept but it
> wouldn't work and I suspect the 4m height with its "squashed" upper deck
> ceiling would be very unpopular in the UK.

There's a 1.78m headroom requirement per deck.

U

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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: MIG
Date: Jul 5, 2008 15:22

On Jul 5, 1:24 pm, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:08:15 +0100, Tom Barry blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Six lines have contracts expiring in 2009; 12, 25, 38, 73, 507,
>>521 - I'd like to see them try and operate the last two as single door
>>entry double deckers).
>
> Might the 507 and 521 work with Berlin-style 3-door full-length (12m?)
> 3 axle deckers with stairs at both front and rear?  I think that might
> have some potential.
>
> Single-entry buses of any kind are not a good way of shifting crowds.

Surely the need for single entry is to do with having to show
something to the driver, and has nothing to do with the shape and
flexibility of the bus.
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Mike Hughes
Date: Jul 6, 2008 07:25

In message , Tom Barry
blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Rupert Candy wrote:
>> I'm quite surprised nobody's commented on this yet!
>> Not only is there a whole new section of the TfL site devoted to it
>> (http://tinyurl.com/5euecn), they've even produced detailed
>> specifications for the 'serious' competition in proper house style.
>> These look very businesslike and impressive, with the occasional bit
>> of humour (Articulated design: No. Doors/Apertures: 1 open platform at
>> nearside). It's at http://tinyurl.com/6gnvpt if anyone's interested.
>> I know Autocar magazine sponsored a design company (Capoco?) to come
>> up with a New Routemaster concept a while back - I wonder if they will
>> enter it. Otherwise, I can't see any of the bus builders...
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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Neil Williams
Date: Jul 6, 2008 07:33

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:25:12 +0100, Mike Hughes
mikehughes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Boris has promised to double the number of officers employed on specific
>enforcement from 34 to 68. I doubt if that will be enough but it is a
>start.

Why can the general police not make some progress in enforcing this?
After all, a crime is, in my understanding, being committed.

Neil

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Re: Boris's New Routemaster competition         


Author: Roland Perry
Date: Jul 6, 2008 07:51

In message <4870d79b.762556458@news.individual.net>, at 14:33:30 on Sun,
6 Jul 2008, Neil Williams pacersplace.org.uk> remarked:
>>Boris has promised to double the number of officers employed on specific
>>enforcement from 34 to 68. I doubt if that will be enough but it is a
>>start.
>
>Why can the general police not make some progress in enforcing this?
>After all, a crime is, in my understanding, being committed.

It's common misconception that the "general police" enforce all
legislation. A desperately needed reform (IMHO) is that every Act of
Parliament should state clearly which agency is expected to enforce its
provisions.
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