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Author: eNautiluseNautilus Date: Jun 3, 2008 13:37
What will happen to SouthEastern train services into Blackfriars after
December 2008 - diverted to Victoria, cancelled, or will there be a limited
service continuing through to City Thameslink and terminating at Smithfield
sidings?
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Jun 3, 2008 13:57
"eNautilus" here.com> wrote in message
news:k-KdnZFtHebsNtjVnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com...> What will happen to SouthEastern train services into Blackfriars after
> December 2008 - diverted to Victoria, cancelled, or will there be a
> limited service continuing through to City Thameslink and terminating at
> Smithfield sidings?
They will be running through to at least Kentish Town, possibly further,
although March 2009 is now believed to be the start date.
FCC drivers are currently training on dual voltage 377s, a number of which
will be transferred from Southern.
Paul
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Author: thagor2008thagor2008 Date: Jun 4, 2008 02:12
On Jun 3, 9:57 pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
wrote:> "eNautilus" here.com> wrote in message
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> news:k-KdnZFtHebsNtjVnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com...
>>> What will happen to SouthEastern train services into Blackfriars after
>> December 2008 - diverted to Victoria, cancelled, or will there be a
>> limited service continuing through to City Thameslink and terminating at
>> Smithfield sidings?
>
> They will be running through to at least Kentish Town, possibly further,
> although March 2009 is now believed to be the start date.
>
> FCC drivers are currently training on dual voltage 377s, a number of which
> will be transferred from Southern.
I wonder if theres an argument for extending the 3rd rail to kentish
town so dual voltage stock isn't required.
B2003
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Author: Mr ThantMr Thant Date: Jun 4, 2008 02:56
> I wonder if theres an argument for extending the 3rd rail to kentish
> town so dual voltage stock isn't required.
It wouldn't be very useful. The interim arrangement is more about
having somewhere to send the peak services from the north with the
Moorgate branch gone. There's not really anywhere to terminate them,
so running them through as services to Kent (replacing the SET
Blackfriars services) is the only real option.
U
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Author: John BJohn B Date: Jun 4, 2008 03:02
> On Jun 3, 9:57 pm, "Paul Scott" btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>>> "eNautilus" here.com> wrote in message>
>>news:k-KdnZFtHebsNtjVnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@ bt.com... >
>>> What will happen to SouthEastern train services into Blackfriars after
>>> December 2008 - diverted to Victoria, cancelled, or will there be a
>>> limited service continuing through to City Thameslink and terminating at
>>> Smithfield sidings?
>
>> They will be running through to at least Kentish Town, possibly further,
>> although March 2009 is now believed to be the start date.
>
>> FCC drivers are currently training on dual voltage 377s, a number of which
>> will be transferred from Southern.
>
> I wonder if theres an argument for extending the 3rd rail to kentish ...
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Jun 4, 2008 08:07
On 4 Jun, 10:56, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:
>> I wonder if theres an argument for extending the 3rd rail to kentish
>> town so dual voltage stock isn't required.
Apart from any other reasons, this would be pretty costly, and require
the installation of a whole new array of kit and more substations.
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> It wouldn't be very useful. The interim arrangement is more about
> having somewhere to send the peak services from the north with the
> Moorgate branch gone. There's not really anywhere to terminate them,
> so running them through as services to Kent (replacing the SET
> Blackfriars services) is the only real option.
>
But that only accounts for the displaced peak (no-longer Moorgate
bound) Thameslink trains from points north.
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Author: hounslow3hounslow3 Date: Jun 4, 2008 12:44
> It wouldn't be very useful. The interim arrangement is more about
> having somewhere to send the peak services from the north with the
> Moorgate branch gone. There's not really anywhere to terminate them,
> so running them through as services to Kent (replacing the SET
> Blackfriars services) is the only real option.
>
> U
What exactly is happening with the Moorgate branch?
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Jun 4, 2008 13:25
yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> It wouldn't be very useful. The interim arrangement is more about
>> having somewhere to send the peak services from the north with the
>> Moorgate branch gone. There's not really anywhere to terminate them,
>> so running them through as services to Kent (replacing the SET
>> Blackfriars services) is the only real option.
>>
>> U
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> What exactly is happening with the Moorgate branch?
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Jun 4, 2008 13:29
On 4 Jun, 20:44, yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Mr Thant" googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> It wouldn't be very useful. The interim arrangement is more about
>> having somewhere to send the peak services from the north with the
>> Moorgate branch gone. There's not really anywhere to terminate them,
>> so running them through as services to Kent (replacing the SET
>> Blackfriars services) is the only real option.
>
It's being shut. The platforms at Farringdon can't be extended to 12-
car length without fouling the junction towards Moorgate, so the
branch will be closed.
There are various suggestions here and elsewhere about the alignment
being used for stabling LU trains given that it's adjacent to the Met/
Circle/H&C, though nothing official.
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Author: Sky RiderSky Rider Date: Jun 4, 2008 14:09
Mizter T wrote:
> I presume terminating the other off-peak trains at City Thameslink and
> then perhaps parking them up in the Smithfield sidings until they're
> due to head south again is considered impractical given the frequency
> of trains on the core Thameslink route.
That is true, and according to Nick Lawford the sidings will close when
the Key Output 0 service starts.
> At Kentish Town I presume the benefit is that the fast Bedford trains
> will be on the fast tracks, hence there's less opportunity for
> terminating/reversing trains to jam up the whole Thameslink service.
*All* cross-London FCC TL services use the Moorgate (TL) lines south of
Kentish Town Jn (between West Hampstead Thameslink and Kentish Town).
Using the same point of reference,* services on the fast and
slow/carriage (MML) lines reverse at London St Pancras (high-level) and
Kentish Town respectively.
It is expected that off-peak joint FCC TL/SER services will
start/terminate at Kentish Town on the Moorgate lines, but only by
virtue of heading ECS to/from Cricklewood sidings.
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