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Author: MwmbwlsMwmbwls Date: Nov 7, 2007 23:26
http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3001
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The international terminal at Waterloo Station will be out of use for
more than a year before the platforms are used by domestic rail
services, the government has confirmed.
Waterloo has enjoyed a direct link to Paris and Brussels since
November 1994
The final trains between Waterloo and Paris and Brussels will run on
Tuesday 13 November.
Eurostar's London terminal will move to St Pancras from the start of
service on Wednesday 14 November, thirteen...
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Author: AndrewAndrew Date: Nov 7, 2007 23:30
Mwmbwls wrote:
On an infrastructure level any remodeling of the Waterloo throat would
obviously have to wait until the Eurostar services finished. A project
of that scale would take a substantial amount of time - Waverley's taken
a year and it's a far smaller station.
A.
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Author: Alan OsbornAlan Osborn Date: Nov 8, 2007 02:21
> Mwmbwls wrote:
>> http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3001
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>> As the closure of Waterloo International has been foreseen for at
>> least three/four years why is there now a year's delay in redeploying
>> the assets?
>> >
> On an infrastructure level any remodeling of the Waterloo throat would
> obviously have to wait until the Eurostar services finished. A project of
> that scale would take a substantial amount of time - Waverley's taken a
> year and it's a far smaller station.
>
> A.
If they are going to put SWT main-line services into the former
International platforms they will have to cross the busy Windsor-line tracks
so presumably an expensive fly-over or fly-under will have to be built. The ...
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Author: kytellykytelly Date: Nov 8, 2007 02:33
On 8 Nov, 10:21, "Alan Osborn" burwellmdw.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> As the closure of Waterloo International has been foreseen for at
>>> least three/four years why is there now a year's delay in redeploying
>>> the assets?
>
>> On an infrastructure level any remodeling of the Waterloo throat would
>> obviously have to wait until the Eurostar services finished. A project of
>> that scale would take a substantial amount of time - Waverley's taken a
>> year and it's a far smaller station.
>
>> A.
>
> If they are going to put SWT main-line services into the former
> International platforms they will have to cross the busy Windsor-line tracks
> so presumably an expensive fly-over or fly-under will have to be built. The ...
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Nov 8, 2007 03:05
> On 8 Nov, 10:21, "Alan Osborn" burwellmdw.demon.co.uk> wrote:>>
>> A far better solution for the International Platforms would be for South
>> Eastern main line trains which at present have to negotiate the
congested
>> Borough Market tracks to reach Charing Cross. The Infrastructure to
divert
>> these is all in place curtesy of Eurostar, and use paths vacated by the
>> Eurostar trains
>> Charing Cross route would be downgraded and less congested as only used
by
>> suburban trains. For the die-hards who want to go to London Bridge or
>> Charing Cross then they could transfer to Waterloo East.
>
> This sounds a good idea imho, at least while London Bridge/TLK is
> being rebuilt
>
There are 5 main line trains into Charing Cross in the peak hour, or 8 if ...
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Author: Neillw001Neillw001 Date: Nov 8, 2007 03:17
On Nov 8, 11:05 am, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:>> On 8 Nov, 10:21, "Alan Osborn" burwellmdw.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> A far better solution for the International Platforms would be for South
>>> Eastern main line trains which at present have to negotiate the
> congested
>>> Borough Market tracks to reach Charing Cross. The Infrastructure to
> divert
>>> these is all in place curtesy of Eurostar, and use paths vacated by the
>>> Eurostar trains
>>> Charing Cross route would be downgraded and less congested as only used
> by
>>> suburban trains. For the die-hards who want to go to London Bridge or
>>> Charing Cross then they could transfer to Waterloo East.
>
>> This sounds a good idea imho, at least while London Bridge/TLK is ...
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Author: BoltarBoltar Date: Nov 8, 2007 03:38
On Nov 8, 11:17 am, Neillw001 hotmail.com> wrote:> Can Waterloo International now be regarded as a closed station?
It was never really a station. Just a few platforms walled off from
the rest of the station.
B2003
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Author: MIGMIG Date: Nov 8, 2007 03:50
On 8 Nov, 11:05, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:>> On 8 Nov, 10:21, "Alan Osborn" burwellmdw.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> A far better solution for the International Platforms would be for South
>>> Eastern main line trains which at present have to negotiate the
> congested
>>> Borough Market tracks to reach Charing Cross. The Infrastructure to
> divert
>>> these is all in place curtesy of Eurostar, and use paths vacated by the
>>> Eurostar trains
>>> Charing Cross route would be downgraded and less congested as only used
> by
>>> suburban trains. For the die-hards who want to go to London Bridge or
>>> Charing Cross then they could transfer to Waterloo East. ...
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Author: pippa.moranpippa.moran Date: Nov 8, 2007 04:01
On 8 Nov, 11:50, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:>
> Yes; whenever this topic comes up, I comment that the problems are
> with the approaches and not the capacity at termini, therefore not
> addressed by freeing up more platforms at Waterloo.
>
> The South Eastern side of Victoria is very underused, and Waterloo,
> with its long turnaround times compared with somewhere like Charing
> Cross, isn't exactly stretched.
>
> The problems are Borough Market, the two two-track routes between
> Bromley and Victoria and the two-track route through Queenstown Road
> on the "Windsor" side.
But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria.
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Author: Paul ScottPaul Scott Date: Nov 8, 2007 04:34
> On 8 Nov, 11:50, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:>>
>> Yes; whenever this topic comes up, I comment that the problems are
>> with the approaches and not the capacity at termini, therefore not
>> addressed by freeing up more platforms at Waterloo.
>>
>> The South Eastern side of Victoria is very underused, and Waterloo,
>> with its long turnaround times compared with somewhere like Charing
>> Cross, isn't exactly stretched.
>>
>> The problems are Borough Market, the two two-track routes between
>> Bromley and Victoria and the two-track route through Queenstown Road
>> on the "Windsor" side.
>
> But that doesn't explain why they're not planning to send some
> suburban Charing Cross trains to Waterloo via Lewisham and Peckham
> Rye. That would help to free up the Borough Market tracks without
> adding to congestion between Bromley and Victoria. ...
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