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Group: uk.transport.london · Group Profile
Author: Tom Anderson
Date: Sep 9, 2008 16:29

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, i.g.batten@batten.eu.org wrote:
>> [1] I have a very vague recollection of having seen bus stencils
>> somewhere in the UK. Bike stencils are provided in places though,
>> unlike some other places, there is no stencil on the red lens.
>
> Birmingham, at the junction of Longmore Street and Belgrave Middleway.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Birmingham,+Warwickshire,+UK&ie...
>
> Buses and Bikes can go straight on from Longmore Street into Horton
> Square, cars can only go left. There's both a bus stencil and a bike
> stencil, and bizarrely they have separate lanes.
>
> The layout is hideous, as the dedicated bike lane to cross the Middleway
> heading north is in the middle of the road and the bike lane runs along
> a widened pavement to the west (where you'd expect it) and then crosses
> into the middle of Longmore Street unprotected (where you sort of expect
> it). But coming from Horton Square you end up again in in the centre of
> the road and are expected to move right, into the bi- directional bike
> lane, unprotected. So you have massive traffic light protection for a
> move across Belgrave Middleway, but fifteen yards the other side you
> have to make a weird, unprotected move which drivers won't be expecting:
> from the perspective of a driver heading north, they'll confront
> oncoming bikes heading south in the middle of the road crossing to the
> western side of the road.

Yes, that's a classic bit of cycle lane dickery. That point should at the
very least be protected by an island rather than some crosshatching, and
should really have some lights on it too.

I note that there's a primary school to the east, with access from that
road. Would this not be an ideal place for a pedestrian crossing, with
which the cycle lane crossover could be integrated?

Really, though, the solution is just not to build cycle lanes. Copious
research shows that in situations like this - indeed, in almost all urban
situations - they cause more accidents than they prevent.

Anyway, some more dickery in return - i've been meaning to post this photo
for ages, and you've prompted me to do so:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/twic/2844493252/

It's about here:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.52544%%2C-0.126214
> This is part of National Cycle Route 5, and is the recommended route to
> cycle from the South West of the city into Birmingham (along Gooch
> Street) and is also a useful route towards the Grand Union at Camp Hill
> locks (cycling on belgrave Middleway is hard work when you can cut
> diagonally across). I just get in the bus lane and behave like a bus...

This is also my strategy. I'm getting very good at brrrmming noises.

tom

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