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Author: Arthur FiggisArthur Figgis Date: Sep 7, 2008 09:26
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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
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Author: rhdoxonrhdoxon Date: Sep 7, 2008 10:40
That was nasty, from the pictures it appears that the bus ended up on
the pavement and was corrdored(?) between bollards and shopfronts.
Anyone on the pavement wouldn't have had much chance.
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 7, 2008 11:38
On 7 Sep, 17:26, Arthur Figgis example.com.invalid> wrote:
A pretty horrendous accident. The first link is to the Croydon
Advertiser (aka This is Croydon Today) article, which provides the
most information, whilst the Daily Mail story has the pictures.
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Author: Peter MassonPeter Masson Date: Sep 7, 2008 11:46
"Mizter T" gmail.com> wrote>
> The Mail story says that Police Collision Investigation officers are
> looking in to the accident. It's interesting to consider where the
> emphasis of investigation of incidents falls when a tram is involved,
> given that HMRI is the safety regulator (for want of a better phrase)
> of the tram system, and BTP is responsible for policing the system.
> This incident would appear to be more of a road traffic accident and
> thus fall within the domain of the local (Met) police, however *if*
> (and that is a big if) the traffic signals had in some way
> malfunctioned then things would become more interesting given the
> interface between highway and tramway signalling.
It will be worth keeping an eye on the RAIB site to see if they open an
investigation, though they probably won't if, as you suggest, it was
essentially a road traffic collision.
Peter
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Author: Paul TerryPaul Terry Date: Sep 7, 2008 11:51
In message , Arthur
Figgis example.com.invalid> writes
>It seems to be a slightly out-of-the-ordinary accident - the tram and
>bus have ended up quite a way from each other.
According to several eye-witness reports, the bus driver was knocked
unconscious in the collision, but the bus continued running in gear
until brought to a halt when it rammed a parked car. One can only
speculate how worse the tragedy would have been on a weekday.
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Paul Terry
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Author: Chris TolleyChris Tolley Date: Sep 7, 2008 12:46
Mizter T wrote:
> A bus swerving to avoid a car would appear to be the genesis of the
> accident. ... *if* (and that is a big if) the traffic signals had in
> some way malfunctioned then things would become more interesting
> given the interface between highway and tramway signalling.
I don't follow your reasoning. If the genesis of the accident is a bus
swerving to miss a car, then I can't see that the tram's signalling is
in any way implicated.
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Author: Arthur FiggisArthur Figgis Date: Sep 7, 2008 13:14
Chris Tolley wrote:
> Mizter T wrote:
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>> A bus swerving to avoid a car would appear to be the genesis of the
>> accident. ... *if* (and that is a big if) the traffic signals had in
>> some way malfunctioned then things would become more interesting
>> given the interface between highway and tramway signalling.
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> I don't follow your reasoning. If the genesis of the accident is a bus
> swerving to miss a car, then I can't see that the tram's signalling is
> in any way implicated.
Presumably the road and tram signals are interlinked in some way, to
avoid a tram being sent into the path of cars, or vice versa.
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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 7, 2008 14:02
On Sep 7, 7:46Â pm, "Peter Masson" privacy.net> wrote:
> "Mizter T" gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Mail story says that Police Collision Investigation officers are
>> looking in to the accident. It's interesting to consider where the
>> emphasis of...
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Sep 7, 2008 14:14
In message musonix.demon.co.uk>, at 19:51:23 on Sun, 7
Sep 2008, Paul Terry musonix.demon.co.uk> remarked:>According to several eye-witness reports, the bus driver was knocked
>unconscious in the collision, but the bus continued running in gear
>until brought to a halt when it rammed a parked car.
So did the bus swerve around a car and hit the tram, then later hit a
car; or are there two dented cars? They "both" seem to be silver.
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Roland Perry
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Author: Mizter TMizter T Date: Sep 7, 2008 14:28
On Sep 7, 8:46Â pm, Chris Tolley supanet.com> wrote:
> Mizter T wrote:
>> A bus swerving to avoid a car would appear to be the genesis of the
>> accident. ... *if* (and that is a big if) the traffic signals had in
>> some way malfunctioned then things would become more interesting
>> given the interface between highway and tramway signalling.
>
> I don't follow your reasoning. If the genesis of the accident is a bus
> swerving to miss a car, then I can't see that the tram's signalling is
> in any way implicated.
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