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Author: Boltar
Date: Apr 9, 2008 07:47

In the wikipedia article about the new 2009 stock for the victoria
line I came across this:

"The trains will have eight cars, with seating for 252 and standing
space for an estimated 1196 passengers. Unlike the 1967 stock, the
trains will be built to take advantage of the Victoria Line's
unusually large loading gauge (for a deep tube line). This will
prevent them leaving the line except by road, however."

Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
larger are they?

B2003
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: MIG
Date: Apr 9, 2008 08:27

On 9 Apr, 15:47, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In the wikipedia article about the new 2009 stock for the victoria
> line I came across this:
>
> "The trains will have eight cars, with seating for 252 and standing
> space for an estimated 1196 passengers. Unlike the 1967 stock, the
> trains will be built to take advantage of the Victoria Line's
> unusually large loading gauge (for a deep tube line). This will
> prevent them leaving the line except by road, however."
>
> Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
> larger are they?
>
> B2003

Was this added to Wikipedia on 1 April?

I would have thought that the platform edges would be a limitation in
any case, even if the tunnels are slightly wider.
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Boltar
Date: Apr 9, 2008 09:13

On Apr 9, 4:27 pm, MIG doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
> Was this added to Wikipedia on 1 April?

Didn't check , wouldn't surprise me.
>
> I would have thought that the platform edges would be a limitation in
> any case, even if the tunnels are slightly wider.

Good point, hadn't thought of that.

B2003
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Mr Thant
Date: Apr 9, 2008 09:57

On 9 Apr, 15:47, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
> larger are they?

Yes, it's true. They're a couple of inches taller and each train is a
few feet longer. Trains rarely need to leave their home line, though I
have heard talk of seeing if they can be squeezed down the Piccadilly
Line.

U

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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: MIG
Date: Apr 9, 2008 11:00

On Apr 9, 5:57 pm, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
wrote:
> On 9 Apr, 15:47, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
>> larger are they?
>
> Yes, it's true. They're a couple of inches taller and each train is a
> few feet longer. Trains rarely need to leave their home line, though I
> have heard talk of seeing if they can be squeezed down the Piccadilly
> Line.

Ah, so is it maybe more to do with the tightness of bends rather than
the width? Would the 1973 stock already not be able to get round,
say, the Bakerloo, which is very bendy?
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Paul Terry
Date: Apr 9, 2008 11:35

In message
<52d77db7-9be1-42ce-9f62-65949381a031@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Mr
Thant googlemail.com> writes
>Yes, it's true. They're a couple of inches taller and each train is a
>few feet longer. Trains rarely need to leave their home line, though I
>have heard talk of seeing if they can be squeezed down the Piccadilly
>Line.

Clearing the South Kensington S-bend would presumably be the main
hurdle.
--
Paul Terry
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Apr 9, 2008 11:47

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT), MIG
doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>On Apr 9, 5:57 pm, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>> On 9 Apr, 15:47, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
>>> larger are they?
>>
>> Yes, it's true. They're a couple of inches taller and each train is a
>> few feet longer. Trains rarely need to leave their home line, though I
>> have heard talk of seeing if they can be squeezed down the Piccadilly
>> Line.

How silly to build a train that can't be moved on to another line for
whatever reason. I had no appreciation that this nonsense had been
sneaked through.
>Ah, so is it maybe more to do with the tightness of bends rather than
>the width? Would the 1973 stock already not be able to get round,
>say, the Bakerloo, which is very bendy?
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Mizter T
Date: Apr 9, 2008 12:41

On 9 Apr, 19:47, Paul Corfield dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: MIG
Date: Apr 9, 2008 13:18

On Apr 9, 8:41 pm, Mizter T gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 Apr, 19:47, Paul Corfield dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT), MIG
>
>> doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>On Apr 9, 5:57 pm, Mr Thant googlemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>
>>>> On 9 Apr, 15:47, Boltar yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> Is this true? It seems a strange thing to do. If it is , how much
>>>>> larger are they?
>
>>>> Yes, it's true. They're a couple of inches taller and each train is a ...
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Re: 2009 Stock loading gauge         


Author: Paul Corfield
Date: Apr 9, 2008 13:43

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T gmail.com>
wrote:
>Anyway the later pages of this thread on District Dave suggests that
>the Vic line stock will be delivered by rail to Ruislip depot and will
>then run via the Metropolitan and Piccadilly lines to reach the
>Victoria line, and also that there have already been gauging test runs
>to determine if this route will be possible (see in particular the
>third post down by 'towerman'):
>
>http://districtdave.proboards39.com/index.c.cgi?board=victoria&action=display&thread...
>
>
>So if this goes to plan the trains might not be able to run on other
>tube lines in service (though really why would they need to?) but it
>will be possible to move them by rail on and off the network.

If that's correct then fine. The ability to move them about in non
passenger service if / when needed is the main thing. I just think it
is daft to move trains by road when it's perfectly sensible to shift
them by rail if at all possible.
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