On Sep 22, 1:50Â am, "ZB"
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>>>> If it was just the line about 'the famine's over go on home' there
>>>> wouldn't be a problem, but it's the rest of the song that's the issue.
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>>> If it were "the holocaust is over, why don't you do home" to Jews, or
>>> "slavery is over, why don't you go home" to Blacks or "the British Empire
>>> is over, why don't you go home" to the Scottish-Pakistani community,
>>> would they be OK?
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>> It's not often you come out with stupid posts - but this is a beauty.
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>> Equating the Holocaust to the British Empire FFS - away and have a think
>> about things, open a history book that doesn't have a shamrock on the
>> cover and then, if you've a serious point to make, get back to me.
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>> The one big difference about the Jewish refugees from Nazi Europe and the
>> Irish diaspora is that the Jews don't drone on and fucking on about "the
>> auld country", even though the Jews were forced to leave their 'auld'
>> countries whilst the Irish were not. Jewish allegiance isn't to Poland,
>> Russia or Germany - you don't find 'jewish' teams in the countries of
>> their adoption which wear the Star of David as their club crest whilst
>> their fans sing songs in praise of the Haganah or the Stern gang. I don't
>> recall Tottenham Hotspur running out onto the park accompanied by  "Hava
>> Nagila".
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>> Your reference to Blacks is as ill considered as the rest of your post
>> since Africans were forcably kidnapped from their homes in Africa, Â taken
>> into slavery and murdered in their hundreds of thousands. The Irish were
>> not.
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>> As for the Pakistanis, they came here decades AFTER the British Empire had
>> fallen, ya muppet.
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>> If the famine song was 'only' the line about "the famine's over why don't
>> you go home" there would be fuck all wrong with it and I'd sing it
>> myself - belt it out loud and clear, so I would. That line (the one that
>> people sing) is aimed at the plastic paddys and the types who go to
>> "whanker and the bhoys" concerts and who get fuelled up to sing their IRA
>> dittys at places like Rugby Park today. It's not mocking the famine, it's
>> mocking the pretentions of the plastic paddys who lay claim to it.
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>> To whom I would say a big, collective and all embracing , 'go fuck
>> yourselves all the way back to Ireland' - safe in the knowledge that the
>> Irish hold them in as much contempt as we do and would no doubt tell them
>> to fuck off somewhere else. I mean, have you ever met a young Irish person
>> who isn't totally fucking embarrassed by Celtic and their fans? Nobody on
>> the Emerald Isle wants to have anything to do with you - they are forty
>> times more interested in Man Utd and Liverpool than in Celtic - and they
>> are too concerned with being a modern 21st century European country to
>> give a toss about the half-arsed, bevvy fuelled haverings of Wannebe
>> Rebels from Scotland.
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>> Anyway.....The problem with the song is not that one line, it's the rest
>> of it, which is as vile and vicious as it is stupid. But part of me says
>> 'hell mend you' - when you forced the banning of the Billy Boys with your
>> faux offendedness, what did you think would happen?
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>> The Billy Boys was a meaningless chant - and don't be giving me no shit
>> about how offensive it was - it has been sung for half a century and more
>> and nobody ever gave half a seconds thought to the lyrics. Now, however,
>> you've got the BJK songs and now this famine stuff - what's next from this
>> Pandora's box that has been opened I wonder?
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>> And Martin Bain was right, btw - why is it that nobody gives a flying
>> fornication about IRA songs from your lot or Ibrox disaster songs from the
>> Sheep, yet the world and his wife is fixated on what's sung in Govan?
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Is it right to ignore/dismiss songs about the IRA and the Ibrox
disaster ?
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