Jim Mason wrote:
> In article
bt.com>, life@sea.com
> says...>>>
>>> "FishSupper"
sea.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7ICdnTHSyLYn_63VnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...>>>>
>>>> "Paddy"
ninespam.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:d5XXj.16634$ie5.11120@newsfe05.ams2...>>>>> ...for dragging Scottish football right through the mud, yet
>>>>> again !!
>>>>>
>>>>> A disgrace on the field, and a disgrace off the field.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am ashamed to be Scottish.
>>>>
>>>> How exactly did Rangers drag scottish football through the mud - by
>>>> qualifying for the UEFA cup final and securing enough coefficient
>>>> points to practically guarantee CL football for the Scottish
>>>> champions for a few years to come?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like you are unable to differentiate between Rangers
>>>> FC, the 199,000 decent fans and the couple of hundred thugs who
>>>> disgraced their club and country. Sounds to me like it's all just
>>>> 'Rangers' to you - which is a very childish way to look at things.
>>>
>>> It was a lot more than a couple of hundred thugs mate. It was more
>>> like between one and two thousand.
>>
>> The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and is not helped by
>> claims that the violence was happening 'all over the city' - it
>> wasn't, it was in a couple of localised hot spots.
>>
>>
>>> I don't think the actions of Rangers "fans" should be attributed to
>>> Scotland. However, if you read the English newspaper reports,
>>> letters columns and listen to the phone-ins on stations like 5live,
>>> it seems to me that many English people *are* tarring all Scots
>>> with the same brush.
>>
>> There's a growing anti-Scottish sentiment in England tied in to the
>> decline in the fortunes of the Labour party and the shit spewed out
>> by the right-wing press about the supposed subsidising of Scotland
>> by the English. (FACT: Scotland with North Sea oil is the second
>> biggest contributor to the UK exchequer. Without NS oil, we're 4th.
>> Source: Oxford University dept of economics - but that's by the by).
>> And the day we listen to the English criticising us about football
>> hooligans is the day I wear a green and white scarf. They have
>> killed, maimed and destroyed their way across Europe for decades and
>> they DARE to point fingers at us?
>>
>> In any event, they have been waiting to launch into us for some time
>> now and Manchester gives them the perfect opportunity. They, like
>> the majority of celtic fans if this newsgroup and the phone ins are
>> anything to go by, have their own agendas and are more than happy to
>> indulge in knicker-wetting finger pointing and ignore the fact that
>> of the 150-200,000 - the biggest single movement of people for one
>> event since World War II - there were a few hundred drunken
>> troublemakers, some of whom were travelling casuals from elsewhere.
>>
>> I'm not trying to say that the great majority of the troublemakers
>> weren't Rangers 'fans', - they were - but it would be naive to think
>> that the football casuals wouldn't turn up to an event like this. I
>> suspect that the 'main events' of the evening were planned by the
>> casuals from rangers and elsewhere but that the great majority of
>> the violence was executed by the footsoldier neds in Rangers colours.
>>
>>> I don't think it is helpful either for Celtic fans to point score
>>> over what happened or for Rangers supporters, management and media
>>> to brush this under the carpet as nothing to do with Rangers. The
>>> line being spun constantly is that these are not Rangers fans (even
>>> though there were many wearing Rangers gear), they were not even
>>> Scottish (even though there are plenty of Scottish accents present
>>> on the videos) and it was only 200 people (even though that is not
>>> possible given the widespread damage that occured).
>>>
>>> I would rather spend our energies working out what we can do to
>>> kick these scumbags out of football for good.
>>
>> Although Rangers FC have been working very hard for some time to get
>> rid of this problem, progress has been slow and it's time now to get
>> serious.
>>
>> Rangers is identified as being part of this 'Blues Brothers'
>> coalition of unionist/loyalist right wingers and this is what RFC
>> has to work to eradicate. I would introduce the following 7 measures.
>
> Read and snipped.
>
> Truly excellent post FS.
>
> Jim
Seconded. Zero tolreance is the way to treat these fuckers. If Rangers
decided to ban ALL fans from away European games for a period of time, I
wouldn't argue. Drastic measures, I know, and an affront to the 99.9%% of us
that don't cause trouble, but we NEED to eradicate these cunts NOW.
