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> "Jellore" bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:6447c4dd-65ce-4e13-883b-267b4a5202a4@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 15, 8:52 pm, guig yerawathame.com> wrote:

>> On 2008-05-15 10:41:54 +0100, Jellore bigpond.com> said:
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>>> On May 15, 5:02 pm, guig yerawathame.com> wrote:

>>>> On 2008-05-15 00:14:17 +0100, Boz hotmail.com> said:

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>>>>> Manchester did fail UEFA by caving in and allowing the hordes of
>>>>> unwashed scum with a well proven track record of violence as long as
>>>>> the M6 motorway, desecrate their city

>>

>>>> The proven track record of violence belongs totally to the English
>>>> football fan I think you'll find ...

>>

>>> Totally ? Don't be so silly man. English "fans" are without doubt the
>>> biggest perps however they are hardly the only ones. Take the blinkers
>>> off. Rangers fans last night were well out of line.

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>> I've already condemned the morons involved in the trouble, you'd be
>> hard pressed to find anyone defending their actions.
>>
>> And whilst there are other countries who have trouble with hooliganism,
>> Holland and Italy to name but two, the English do seem to cause trouble
>> pretty much everywhere they go which is something that generally can't
>> be levelled at the Scots fans. But the English meeja, especially the
>> EBC, have been itching for something like this to happen for ages. The
>> EBC this morning made it sound like there were 200,000 people fighting
>> rather than under 200. A conservative estimate of 100,000 being there
>> gives less than 0.2%% involved and 0.04%% arrested. Probably less than
>> get into fights in Manchester over a normal weekend.

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> I'm not long back from Manchester, I was at the Piccadilly site and the
> mood all day long was superb, right up till the big screen failed. All
> those people + drink + very warm day - big tv to see Rangers play their
> biggest game for years was always going to get the bears tetchy. The thing
> that disgusted me the most was when a small group started to throw bottles
> into the crowd which was made up of men women and kids, some still in
> pushchairs. This is not the action of a football fan but the action of
> complete and utter morons. I am in no way defending the actions of the
> hooligan element but I think the police and the organisers could have
> helped matters a bit more than they did. When the bottle throwing started
> there was a mass exodus from the area which the police then tried to stem
> instead of directing the fans to a safer and alternative site, again this
> would not have helped the increasingly pissed off group. The big tv
> reported more screen at the velodrome but gave no indication as to where
> it was and this was only AFTER the match had started. A rangers fan was
> knocked down by a taxi as well and the driver wasn't going to stop, I feel
> this was the spark that ignited the mob coz the police didn't appear to
> want to intervene on the fans behalf but were more than happy to wade in
> with batons and dogs when violence erupted. They also told taxi drivers
> NOT to pick up rangers fans leaving the area and this again prolonged the
> dispersal. I feel it would have been more prudent to tell the taxi drivers
> to get the rangers fans out of the area if that's what they wanted because
> as guig said it was a very small percentage that were causing the troubles
> and the majority were caught up in it and branded the same as the rest
> when they had nothing to do with it. I also heard complaints about
> urinating in the streets, well what can you expect when you only provide
> between 8 and 12 portaloos, there might have been more dotted round about
> but they were not sign posted or prominent. I was also aware of a large
> number of Chelsea tops in the area as well but dont know if they had
> anything to do with the troubles although I wouldn't be surprised to find
> out they had. It pains me to say that I was ashamed not of being a Rangers
> fan yesterday but of being a Scotsman because our neighbours from across
> the border have been waiting for something like this for years so they
> could point and say "see, we knew the jocks were animals". Dont let the
> media fool you into thinking that only Rangers fans will be portraid in
> this light because they will tar every single football supporter that
> wears a Scottish > teams top as being the same.