> "FishSupper"
sea.com> wrote in message
> news:Bc6dnSUfxebmSDjVnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@bt.com...>>> "FishSupper"
sea.com> wrote in message
>>> news:SIqdnc8yk8oQMzjVnZ2dnUVZ8sjinZ2d@bt.com...>>>>> "Jonbhoy"
champsagain.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jaydnaUV354-WjnVnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>>>> "FishSupper"
sea.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:PKOdnYcwXNzNITnVRVnytAA@bt.com...>>>>>>> "Jonbhoy"
champsagain.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:9sudnfw7ALOnxznVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>>>>>>And i did not say Balde is breaking a contract as he isnt,that wasnt
>>>>>>>>the point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right - so Balde isn't breaking his contract, he isn't doing
>>>>>>> anything wrong, you agree that it is Celtic who are trying to weasel
>>>>>>> out of their agreement with Balde, but you call Balde morally
>>>>>>> disgraceful and have not a word of criticism of celtic? How the fuck
>>>>>>> does *that* work?? Hypocricy of the highest order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because he cares more about his money than using his talent.Ive
>>>>>> slated Celtics dealing in certain matters over the years so hardly
>>>>>> one sided.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if Walter Smith has a contract.
>>>>
>>>> why do you wonder that?
>>>
>>> Some Rangers fans want rid of Smith. I expect Rangers FC would have "to
>>> break a promise and renege on a deal" if they were to cancel his
>>> contract and ask him to go stack shelves in Tesco. ;)
>>
>> Alas, you misunderstand, as so often you do. Were Rangers to sack Smith,
>> they would pay him what his contract demanded. They would not, could not,
>> 'cancel his contract'. It would be in his contract that if he was fired,
>> he would receive compensation to a certain amount. Rangers would only be
>> doing 'a celtic' if they pressurised Smith to leave Ibrox to go and
>> manage Hibs or somewhere and refused to pay him what his contract
>> stipulated for doing so.
>>
>> Come on - if you concentrate, you can get this.
>
> Oh dear, I was hoping we wouldn't trade insults over this Fish Supper. "if
> you concentrate"..."alas, you misunderstand, as so often you do." It's
> just so passé with Rangers fan vs. Celtic fans. But no worries if it's
> somehow a reflex action of yours to be ill-tempered. At least you aren't
> shouting at me like you were at Jonbhoy...poor show ma man!
SHOUT?! I'LL GIVE YOU SHOUT! Really, I don't get this thing that I'm
supposed to be Mr Angry. I suspect it's more a case of youse are just a
bunch of poofs. .
And if you thing the above is insulting, you really are a precious wee
petal.
> My point was not so much the financial aspect of it which you quite
> rightly point out could be compensated. More the "to break a promise and
> renege on a deal." You seem to want to point the finger at Celtic for
> breaking a promise, since it's your quote. But I'm not so sure you would
> want to do that to your own club over Smith, were he to get the sack.
> Indeed didn't Rangers ensure Smith "broke his promise" to Scotland when he
> became the Prodigal Son?
Smith did indeed break his promise to Scotland. And Rangers paid the piper.
The thing here is not whether someone gets sacked, or even quits, but the
behaviour of the parties with regard to their contractual obligations when
this happens. The huge difference between the behaviour of Smith/RFC v the
SFA and Balde v Celtic is that of the 4 parties involved, only Celtic has
tried to squirm away from their contractual obligations. Smith's SFA
contract would certainly have forseen a situation where he left the
employment of the SFA without due cause, and the contract will have made
provision for that - provision that was duly met by Rangers. His departure
from the SFA was regretable, if understandable, but Rangers paid the
compensation. Celtic trying to force Balde out the door for less than he's
owed is just cheap and nasty.
If Smith were to get the sack, I might disagree or agree with the sacking,
but what Rangers would never do is try to chisel the guy out of what he was
contractually owed. But you're missing the point, again - sacking a manager
is not breaking a promise or reneging on a deal because the contract makes
provision for that and both parties sign up to the contract in full
awareness of what it entails. It's just Celtic that try to squirm out of
their obligations under the contract.
> Personally I don't think we should be so precious about these things. I
> fail so see why football players, or managers for that matter, should be
> any different from anywhere else. If they aren't suitable for the job,
> they should be let go, and six months wages should suffice. Next you'll be
> getting all Ronaldo-esque on me and saying Bobo is being treated like a
> "slave" by the Celts. ;)
Balde is being treated appallingly by celtic, that's for sure. However, the
problem is that football management *is* different to selling widgets. Who's
to say someone isn't suitable for the job? In order to have a successful
manager you have to trust and back him 100%% - most clubs don't and if 6
months wages was all it took to get rid of someone there would be a
neverending stream of managers being fired. No. If you are employed under a
contract you have every (human) right to expect it to be fulfilled. And if
you renage on it (ala Smith) then your employers should be compensated - as
they were by Rangers.
