http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/ Posts for uk.religion.hindu Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:34:43 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/img/64.png 64 64 NNSeek http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/politically_biased_and_immature_pseudo_secular_indian_127070954t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/politically_biased_and_immature_pseudo_secular_indian_127070954t.html biased and immature, especially when it comes to BJP rules states they
are surprisingly misleading the readers and viewers in this country.
Infact, in my true knowledge BJP ruled states are doing well in many
aspects if not all compare to other states.We know that there is not
a single news paper or visual media which is not run by a family in
this country.If you consider CNN-IBN it is the most visibly biased
visual media channel ever India have seen, so obsessed with Gandhi
dynasty,Rajdeep and his Wife Sagarika is totally after Narendra Modi
and BJP. If Modi sneezes it is a headline story in CNN-IBN!.if you
consider NDTV PRANNOY ROY is trying his best to be a pseudo-
secularist. But if we closely watch each of their programs it is
increasingly getting biased and a person with common sense can
understand what is going on behind the scene.Prannoy Roy and Barkha
Dutta believes they are the only intellectuals left in this
country!.If you look at the news papers, we know the history of Indian
express. What role Goenka played in Indian politics utilizing his
family run news paper business.Vir Sanghvi of Hindustantimes ( Late KK
Birla is a staunch congressman) is all the way praising Sonia as if
his career itself is pledged for that cause. A fair exemption can be
made for Times of India ,I don’t know If I am correct.Otherwise there
is a serious conspiracy going on this country by these new founded
intellectual Pseudo Secularists.We must be able to differentiate what
is right and what is wrong as these channels are targeting young urban
population mixing news with bit of masalas and Tabloid especially the
Hip-hop culture. They are not aware that their credibility and
neutrality is being lost infront of the masses.In India Media ethics
is a neglected truth.It is the era of family run businesses for
personal and political gains.In the name of freedom of speech they are
misleading the people to make thier own profit and gains.Who care
where this will lead the country to?????

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The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya
Darshini – distributed by the missionaries of New Life.

This book is in Kannada and the translation of the abusive passage is
as follows.

Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitute. Vashitha is
the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own Mother. Such
a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)

When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he
enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there
is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page
50)·

It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu and
Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to consider
them as Gods. (page 39)

When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed
by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their projection as
Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).

When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so. How
can such a "evil brahma" be a Creator of this Universe? How is it
possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to
be gods? (page 39)

God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping
False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit 'Vyabichari'
relationships. (Page 39).

All the 16 incidents that took place were not attack on Churches. In
fact, unauthorized prayer halls were attacked where the blasphemous
pamphlets were distributed and aggressive proselytisation was taking
place. These 16 incidents were not localized but took place across
three districts of Mangalore, Udupi and Chikmagalur.

The only place where attacks took place apart from New Life Prayer
Halls was at a small prayer hall in the premises of Milagres Church in
Mangalore, where some miscreants had damaged a Jesus idol. The VHP
and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the attack at this place.
Following this incident, a Christian mob gathered and the situation
went out of control as the mob started pelting stones and disrupting
traffic. The police was forced to intervene and this resulted in
unsavoury violence.

Since the past two days, it is not Hindu-Christian clashes that are
taking place. In fact, it is more appropriate to call it"Christian-
Police" clashes since the Christians holed up in Churches have engaged
themselves in pelting of stones and disruption of traffic. The Police
were forced to enter the Church to clear the mob and they found arms
inside the Church.

Incidents of Stabbing were reported in around four or five places
across Mangalore district. In fact, an activist belonging to Shri Ram
Sena was stabbed which led to a bandh call by Shri Ram Sena – a Hindu
outfit that is not connected to Sangh Parivar.

The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have condemned the desecration of Jesus
idol at the prayer hall adjacent to the Milagres Church in Mangalore.
They have also clarified that they are not against the Catholic faith
and the Churches. However, they have clarified that the public outcry
would continue as long as illicit conversion activities and blasphemy
of Hindu gods take place.

Even the Kandhmahal murder — which involved the killing of Hindu
monk Swami Lakshmananda by missionaries – seems to have caste a
shadow on this incident since the general public seems to have seen
through Christian aggression.

It may be recalled that there was a public outcry against illegal
prayer halls in Davanagere district last week. In that case, the
administration had closed the unauthorized prayer halls that were
mushrooming in the region.

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]]> Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:47:14 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/easy_straight_path_to_god_125372394t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/easy_straight_path_to_god_125372394t.html [abode]. Each of these four has unlimited power; each is God Himself.
First of all Naam comes; next follows Rupa; the third is Leela; and
the fourth is Dham. If a person can develop singleminded devotion to
any of these four, he will be able to
cross the ocean of the Samsar with the greatest ease. Each has a
bearing on the other. If a person can hold fast to any of them, the
others gradually will come by themselves.
*As a result of the deeds done in previous lives, one comes in this
world with specific qualifications. One’s path for Sadhana will depend
one one’s qualification so acquired. It is for the path one has
followed in his previous lives.Hence one has to select the path for
which he is qualified. Hence at the beginning of Sadhana one hears of
many different paths. As one progresses, all paths meets
in one. Whether he is a Shakta or Vaishnava of Shaiva, Soura or
Ganapatya, whether he is a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian – all
ultimately reach that one path leading to God.
*One constantly hears of renunciation as the first step towards
Sadhana. There is no need of renunciation. Stay wherever you are and
try to chant Naam constantly. If you can hold on to Naam which is
Bhagwan Himself, then you need not worry any more. One, who stays near
the King, does not depend on the kindness of the door-keeper. One,
whose tongue is reluctant to sing Naam, may think of renunciation. If
one can sing Naam, the four types of Sadhana, i.e. Vivikta
[concentration], Vairagya [renunciation], Mumuksha [sannayas], Shama
and Dama [control of mind and senses] run after him.
*The Vedas, the Upanishads, the Puranas, the Tantras, the Samhita all
direct one along the path following which one can gain that one
Purusha. They have laid down different paths for persons with
different qualifications. The aim of every person it to get
established in that one. All want the ‘One’ not ‘Two’. Some want to
be united with Him, some want to mingle in Him – that is the only
difference.
*If Standing or sitting, eating or lying down, if one chants
constantly Ram, Ram, one will be able to gain His grace, there is no
doubt about it. A person, who is anxious to gain God’s grace, can
experiment on this and test its truth. He, who constantly chants Ram,
Ram, will become Ram; he who chants Shiva, Shiva, will become Shiva;
by chanting Durga, Durga, or Krishna, Krishna, one becomes Durga or
Krishna. This word of the Shastras is absolutely true.
*By acquiring learning and by Nishkam Karma, you set an example to the
world. There is no real Jnana [knowledge] in books. Jnana is the
fulfillment of Sadhana; it is the life force of Tapasya. If you go on
repeating Shastras like an animal or a bird, you will not be able to
acquire real Jnana even after hundred births. Pray and worship and
enlightenment will come to you. Go on doing
Sadhana; the whole power of the Creator of this Universe will come and
embrace you.
*When one’s mind becomes steady by keeping company of Sadhus, by
studying the Vedas and other religious books, by doing work according
to the instructions of the Shastras, by the grace of God, he then
realizes that he is not shelter-less, he
has One with whom he can take shelter. Thereafter, he is not disturbed
by pleasure or trouble, peace or want of it, danger of prosperity, or
joy and sorrow. He realizes clearly that whatever is happening is for
his Mangal [good]. He then constantly stays with Nam, and, like a
spectator in a film show, watches and enjoys the play of the Prakriti
of endless wonders.

-Sri Sitaramdas Omkarnath

www.guravenamah.com

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I just wanted to share these few things with you so that you can think about
it and respond with your ideas.

Here is a guy who tells you that

1. He worships Stones as his god.

2. He worships Monkeys (Lord Hanuman).

3. He worships Elephants (Lord Ganesh).

4. He and women in his family worship HUMAN PENIS (Lord Lingum).

5. He does not eat animal protein as part of his upbringing.

6. After death he will be burned and his skull will be cracked open with
barbaric use of force to release his SOUL. (like it was not released after
his death).

7. And last but not the least his wife will be burnt along with him as part
of his faith.

My question is what would you think about above???

I have no problem with any faith or culture including above set of
hodgepodge. But you being a person of modern era where every idea is tested
and analyzed thoroughly and rigorously, Don't you think THAT

(a) Above ideas are very unrefined and very primitive.

(b) Believing in above culture is very uncultured.

(c) The above can maybe defined as a Mythology ( a lousy one) but not as a
faith.

Think about it without any bias and share with us your thoughts.

Also read

INVITATION FOR HINDUS TO ACCEPT ISLAM

http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id=783

url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1263-1.aspx

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Questions for Hindus

1. If scientists have proven that the world will come to an end (Day of
Judgment) what will happen to all the Vedas followers who believe they will
be reborn into another life form _on this earth_? If there is no more life
forms on this earth, what will happen to them ?

2. If the Ancient Egyptians believed that their souls will go to Heaven, and
the ancient Egyptians had Scripture centuries before the Vedas, then why do
vedas followers claim their scripture is the oldest and therefore
reincarnation is the right way?

3. Low caste members (untouchables) are born into certain families, for
example, everyone born into the Juppy family, automatically becomes a
untouched able.

The woman in the Juppy family, Mrs. Juppy is the aledged door way for bad
people in previous lives who did not follow the Vedas to be born through Mrs.
Juppy and hence be also a untouchable like the rest of Mrs. Juppy's family
members.

If Mrs. Juppy converts to Islam or Buddhism which thousands are doing daily
in India, what then will happen to the entrance gate for the non-Vedas
followers to be reborn into?

If there are no longer any untouchables because of either conversion or
financial fortune, then the entire caste system would collapse (as it slowly
is doing thanks to the help of humanitarian workers.) then there would no
longer be a earthly Hell as the Vedas followers imagine, and no longer a
reward or punishment, why then are the Vedas gods not maintaining there
reward and punishment systems?

Inconclusion, if there are Two doors, (door A) and (door B) the good go to
(door A) and the bad go to (door B), what will happen to the bad if (door B)
becomes sealed up or has disappeared?

4. If the Vedas followers desire Unity, why is it that they enforce a system
where the their own members are divided into 5 levels where certain levels
are not allowed to talk to, eat with, or even Touch Other Vedas followers?

5. How do Vedas followers claim they desire love and harmony when they think
it is Absolute Justice that fellow Vedas followers including women and
children die daily in India under the current caste system?

6. How is it a punishment to become a animal or a insect or a tree if some
people can consider this to be a reward rather than a punishment? As said
before, Insects are born They Fly, they Run, They Mate and they die, is that
so bad?

For example, Ants have the about 200 times their own body weight strength,
is it so bad to be that strong and Unified as ants are?

7. How is it a reward to be born into the world as children are screaming
and crying and live years before having any comprehension, and then to grow
old and to again loose comprehension, where is the reward to be reincarnated
into that over and over?

8. Why would God show us the Many stars and galaxies if we are only limited
to this world over and over?

Why would God Direct our Attention to Heaven if we are only limited to earth?
Why would God make Heaven so appealing and so Majestic if we are never to
leave from being born as earthly creatures over and over?

9. Would it not be a better reward to come back as a dolphin who has a
higher mental capabilities than humans?

10. What would happen if I smash up every one of the 400 different statues
of Vedas gods, can those gods on earth protect themselves? What will be the
worst thing that can happen to me, to be reborn as a Muslim?

Also read

INVITATION FOR HINDUS TO ACCEPT ISLAM

http://www.studying-islam.org/articletext.aspx?id=783

url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1263-1.aspx

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If so, then: Have you ever really read the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis and
Puranas (Ramayana and Mahabharata) ?

Your answer most probably will be: "No!"

The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without
questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the
higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no
right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology

Oh You Hindu Awake !

http://humanists.net/avijit/article/oh_hindu_awake.htm

url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1263-1.aspx

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]]> Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:32:03 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/hindus_should_learn_from_history_christian_muslims_120056042t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/hindus_should_learn_from_history_christian_muslims_120056042t.html http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=248&page...

Hindus should learn from history
By J.G. Arora

George Sant-ayana, the American philosopher, expressed a universal
fact when he wrote, “Those who do not remember the past are condemned
to repeat it.”

Since Hindus and Bharat have forgotten their history, they are facing
frequent Pak-Bangla terrorist attacks and daily demographic invasion.

Recent bomb blasts in Jaipur in May 2008 killing over 70 persons are
the latest of such attacks and continuing national shame.

And 2007 had seen similar deaths and destruction in attacks in
Varanasi, Lucknow, Hyderabad and Malegaon. In 2006, terrorists killed
over 200 innocents in local trains in Mumbai besides massacring 32
Hindus in Doda.

In 2005, terrorists attacked Ayodhya, New Delhi and Bangalore. 2003
marked bomb blasts in Mumbai. 2002 witnessed attacks on Raghunath and
Akshardham temples.

In 2001, Indian Parliament was attacked.
Earlier during 1980s and 1990s, terrorists killed thousands of Hindus
in Kashmir and drove out several lakhs of Hindus from Kashmir. And now
Kashmir is a Hindu-less region.

After making Kashmir a Hindu-less region, Hindus are being killed
selectively even in Jammu region to evict Hindus from there.

The list is endless.
These attacks are parts of a long line of attacks Bharatvarsh has
suffered since Muhammad bin Qasim’s Arab army’s attack in 711; and
have continued since history repeats itself for those who forget its
lessons.

Why to forget history?
Though Will Durant, the eminent American historian, calls Muslim rule
in India as “the bloodiest story in history”, most of the Hindus have
forgotten this history.

Let us briefly recapitulate a few events.
Bharatvarsha including the present day India, Pakistan, Bangladesh,
Nepal and Afghanistan was Hindu land with a zero Muslim population
till Muhammad bin Qasim’s Arab army attacked Sindh in 711.

Since Hindus never learnt any lesson from history, they faced repeated
Muslim invasions for over a thousand years; and lost Afghanistan in
987 and Pakistan in 1947. And though Hindus fought bravely to defend
their dharma and motherland, they lost millions of lives and faced
plunder and destruction of thousands of their temples during these
attacks over the centuries. Besides, during long period of Muslim
rule, Hindus had to pay jaziya, the tax levied on non-Muslims.

After overthrow of Muslim rule, the British took over India from 1857
to 1947. Muslim League was formed in 1906; and demanded Pakistan for
Muslims in 1940.

This is what Muhammad Ali Jinnah said in Lahore on March 23, 1940
while demanding Pakistan, a separate country for Muslims, comprising
of Muslim majority areas in India:

“Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religions, philosophies,
social customs, and literatures. ….. and to two different
civilisations. Hindus and Muslims derive their inspiration from
different sources of history. They have different epics, different
heroes and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of
the other, and likewise their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke
together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical
minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent,
and the final destruction of any fabric that may be so built up for
the government of such a state.”

In 1945-46 elections, Muslims voted for creation of Pakistan.
Muslim League kept up the pressure, and in 1947 got a third of
Bharat’s land as Pakistan. In 1971, East Pakistan became Bangladesh
while West Pakistan was renamed Pakistan.

In Pakistan and Bangladesh which are declared as Islamic nations, most
of the Hindus and Sikhs have been either driven out or killed or
converted. However, most of Indian Muslims who had demanded Pakistan
for Muslims and exchange of population on creation of Pakistan stayed
back in India; and did not go to Pakistan. Rather, the present
percentage of Muslim population in India is much higher than that in
1947.

Real power in Pakistan lies with its army which is anti-Hindu and anti-
Bharat, and which in collaboration with Bangladesh wants to dismember
India. To demolish Bharat and to plant more Pakistans and Bangladeshs
on Bharat’s soil, Pak-Bangla combine has sent countless terrorists and
crores of its nationals into India.

Infiltrators are also bringing with them high quality counterfeit
Indian currency which is also being used to destroy Bharat.

Denial and inaction
Self-deception is self defeating.
Though Pak-Bangla combine is grabbing Bharat bit by bit through
terrorism and infiltration of its nationals into India, Indian
government responds by denial, negation and inaction.

By its judgement dated July 12, 2005, the Supreme Court struck down
the I.M. (DT) Act, 1983 as unconstitutional; and termed Bangladeshi
infiltration as “external aggression” and directed deportation of
illegal immigrants. Shockingly, on February 10, 2006, the government
passed the Foreigners (Tribunals for Assam) Order to nullify this
judgement. But on December 5, 2006, the Supreme Court quashed this
Order also as unconstitutional; and called for implementation of its
earlier judgement dated July 12, 2005 for deporting illegal aliens.

Despite the Supreme Court’s above-mentioned judgements, no
infiltrators have been deported. Rather, the infiltrators are being
given voting rights.

Why are Hindus so self-effacing?
Indian government’s policy of denial and perverse secularism (which in
reality means anti-Hinduism) is leading to gradual Pak-Bangla take-
over of Bharat.

To prevent the creation of more Pakistans and Bangladeshs on Bharat’s
land, the government has to implement the Supreme Court’s judgements
dated July 12, 2005 and December 5, 2006 to deport the infiltrators
and to curb their daily influx. Besides, all Indo-Pak and Indo-Bangla
road and rail journeys, cultural and sports relations, and peace talks
have to be discontinued. Moreover, India must protect its borders to
prevent invaders from entering India. Besides, terrorist network in
Pakistan and Bangladesh must be smashed to take the war into enemy
territory.

But shackled by fake secularism, successive Indian governments have
been inventing reasons for their inaction. Since the so-called secular
India has surrendered before its tormentors, secular India has to be
transformed into Hindu Bharat to crush the invaders.

Logically, in 1947, on India’s Partition on religious basis and
creation of Pakistan as demanded by Muslims, Bharat should have been
declared a Hindu nation. But the problem can be solved even now by
declaring Bharat as a Hindu country. No one can object to Bharat being
declared a Hindu nation when all the 57 Muslim-majority countries
(including Pakistan and Bangladesh which used to be Hindu lands) are
declared as Islamic countries.

Hindu Bharat will give justice to all and appease none. In Hindu
Bharat, there will be one law and one nation; and no distinction of
majority and minority; and no discrimination, whatsoever, against any
community.

Apart from protecting Hindus and Bharat’s Hindu identity, Hindu Bharat
will transform imbecile India into an assertive nation. Hindu Bharat
will remember its history, and will take all measures to crush the
terrorist attacks and demographic invasion. Hindu Bharat will restore
Hindus’ fighting spirit and self-esteem, and remove laws which
discriminate against Hindus. Accordingly, all pro-Hindu individuals
and organisations should join hands to transform India into a Hindu
nation by all peaceful, constitutional and lawful means.

And Hindu Bharat will certainly remember its past history as also M.A.
Jinnah’s ‘Two Nations’ theory; and demolish Pak-Bangla design to plant
more Pakistans and Bangladeshs in Bharat.

(The author is former Chief Commissioner of Income Tax and can be
contacted at jgarora@vsnl.net)

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]]> Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:36:43 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/exploitation_of_money_in_different_forms_in_temple_117586410t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.religion.hindu/exploitation_of_money_in_different_forms_in_temple_117586410t.html HINDU IKYA VEDIKA
HYDERABAD


To
The Hon`ble minister of Endowments,
Govt of Andhra Pradesh,
Hyderabad.

Sir
Sub: Exploitation of money in different forms in temples -
Reg .
Ref: Existing charges at different temples in differ modes

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We the members of Hindu Ikya Vedika, Andhra Pradesh, wish to bring the
following few points for your kind consideration and necessary action


Money is playing vital role in different modes in different temples in
Andhra Pradesh. Is the role of money is necessary? Is it necessary
between God and Devotee? Think for a moment.

As human beings we believe God. But the government is converting the
beliefs in to money. Is it necessary to measure the belief in terms of
money? The temples were built by the ancient Kings with a common
intention to take the people to God . But now a days money is playing
a key role even fpr darsan of diety . for example different amounts of
money are being collected for darsan from different distances A
common man is not able to take darsan of the diety as a rich man who
can pay more amounts to the Endowment. There is no such condition in
other religions

Despite several demands by the Hindu community there is no change in
the attitude of the Government towards Hindus. The Government should
provide power and water supply to Hindu voluntary organizations, which
are providing free meal and
Accomidation to the devotees. The Government of Karnataka has provided
grant for those who visit Mansa sarovara. But there is no simbelance
of thought to our government in that angle. The different Government
posts in Temple should be filled in consideration with the Peetadhi
Pathulu and Spiritul Gurus like Ravi Sankarji, Ganapathi Sachhinanda
Swamyji, Sundra Chaitanya Swamiji etc., and by the orgnizations like
Bramhakumari, CVVEK etc.,
The Endowment department is conducting tenders for collecting
of money for preserving cheppals at temples. The Contractors are
sqeezing the money under the guise of license. The prescribed feases
fir several sevas including Cheppal preservertion should be decided by
the devotee himself with his free consent. There should not be any
kind of demand. The Government should provide certain amounts for
renovating the ancient temples in Andhra Pradesh.
The other religious persons should be restrained from
participating in the auction with regard to the temple properties or
other services.
The Government of Andhra Pradesh provided RS.2 corers provided
for pilgrimages of Christian community in any way.
Hence we request you to please consider above few points and take
necessary action.

Sincerely Yours,

Devoteesseva @ gmail.Com
HINDU IKYA VEDIKA
HYDERABAD.

Copy to:
1. The Hon'ble Government of Andhra Pradesh,
Hyderabad.
2. The Hon'ble Chief Minister,. Andhra Pradesh, Hyderabad
3. The Commissioner, Endowment Department, Hyderabad.

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Metaphysics of Plato is Vedas retold in the West
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Subject: the influence of Vedic “rsis and munnies” on PLATO

Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. (Rig Veda)

Dear seekers of Vedic knowledge,

The metaphysics of Socrates and Plato influenced so much the Western
thought and brought enlightenment to the West that today “West”
describes Plato as philosophy and philosophy as Plato. We in India
seem to have forgotten that that source of his writings and philosophy
was Vedic metaphysics.

Plato left Athens for about one decade and visited Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran) and North West part of the then India-land of Aryans. He
seems to have discussed a number of metaphysical concepts with the
then Vedic Rsis and Munnies. On his return to Athens, he propagated
those thoughts without making any reference to Vedic rsis and munnies.
However, the influence of Vedic metaphysics is clearly visible in
Plato’s writings/books.

Like the Vedic concept of moderation and Iddm nan mmam (enlightened
liberalism) Plato mentions in his Laws (174-f) and also in Utopia that
in an Ideal state the range of economic disparities should be within
1:16. If the range of disparity increases marginally, the state is
less ideal. However, if it increases considerably, the state is either
a Democracy or an Oligarchy. The rulers in both tend to be tyrannical,
corrupt, and hypocritical. In his metaphysics, Plato says that the
soul of virtuous people becomes lighter and goes toward heaven by
moving upward after death and that of the non-virtuous, being heavier,
it stays near the earth and is the cause of rebirth. On rebirth,
people may be born in one of the nine kinds of families professing
different faiths, religions, as well as in the different regions of
the earth. Plato thus becomes one of the few ancient Western
philosophers who gave a perfect philosophical theory on secularism and
universal brotherhood which in the East Vedic rsis and munnies had
already conveyed through Vedas.

In an ideal state, which he described as Republic,
divine guidance is the maximum and in Tyranny it reaches its minimum
and world dissolution (Vedic Pralaya) comes when that divine guidance
is totally withdrawn. Like Vedic metaphysics Plato confirms that life
in this vast turbulent ocean of matter- the material world is an
illusion of comfort (Vedic Maya) and described the gross world as a
phenomenal world. Plato held largely similar views like Vedic Rta
(Laws of Nature) in his theory of Forms and Ideas. A few other
glimpses of Vedic metaphysics can also seen in Plato’s writings
relating to divinity in the noble vocations, social classes, education
system extending up to 48 years, value system and need based living,
absolute nature of right and wrong and many other concepts. Like Vedas
he mentioned worst thing about corruption is that it distorts the
concept of knowledge. He must have learnt about the ideal philosopher
king Janaka of Bhagavad-Gita assisted by Rishi Yajnvalkya and Rsika
Gargi and developed the theory of “philosopher kings” for his
Republic. His concept of economics and global trade has great
resemblance to Vedic economics and global trade.

While Plato propagated the Vedic concept of scientific temper, his
disciple Aristotle spread the message of Physical Sciences of matter
with unsuspected vitality without referring to Vedas. Later many of
these thoughts are found in the metaphysics of Saint Aquinas,
Augustine, Immanuel Kant and many others including some scientists
like Newton, Einstein etc.

Is it not surprising that seekers of Vedic knowledge can get PhD
Degree in Vedas in USA- the bastion of secularism and a few other
Western countries but not in secular India? Even the former Acting
Chief Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court Mr. Mohd Ramde Khalilee when
he met me last year confirmed that he was a seeker of Vedic knowledge
as it originated largely in the then N.W India now in Pakistan. Lately
an e-mail has been sent to a large number of people by an American
Christian “Mike” who has done PhD in Vedic metaphysics. The e-mail
says if the world is to be saved from self destruction follow Vedic
eternal spiritual science - Sanatan Dharma. Somewhat similar thoughts
earlier the great German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer had expressed
about Upanishads about two hundred years ago.

Considering the great importance of Vedic metaphysics for the welfare
of mankind and Sanatan Dharma (Vedic eternal religion), after studying
the metaphysical (Upanishdic) part of four Vedas, I have written the
book “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” as a commoner and for the common
people who are seekers of Vedic knowledge. It is not a book on Vedic
literature, history or language but contains Vedic guidelines,
teachings and thoughts on material, spiritual and divine aspects of
human life. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can read and even take
print at no cost on website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics .
Also the book can be accessed through google.com, yahoo.com, lulu.com.
Kindly render divine noble service and forward this Website to other
seekers of Vedic knowledge and strengthen Vedic eternal religion.
Suggestions for any improvement in the book conforming strictly to
Vedas are most welcome. Within my limitation of knowledge I do try to
update the book periodically.

It is high time we establish a University in India where through Vedic
studies students could get post graduate and PhD degrees and they
strengthen Vedic Sanatan Dharma (eternal religion) in India and
abroad.

With kind regards,

Yours spiritual brother,

Prem Sabhlok

PS. While many major religions of the world do not mention about
Rebirth and Re-incarnation but thousands of their modern learned
followers like the ancient Socrates, Plato and Pythagorus do believe
in the Vedic concept of Rebirth and Karma theory. They have
categorically mentioned in their writings.



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