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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:59
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:48:18 -0800 (PST), JP dodgeit.com>
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>On Jan 6, 10:50=A0am, MM yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> I would like to have a "British Railways" back.
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>> MM
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>Along with a municipal owned bus service please.
I'm a little unsure of that one, given that bus services in the UK
have *never* been up to scratch, even before deregulation.
Neil
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:00
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:13:31 +0000, Roland Perry perry.co.uk>
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>Actually, I'm a big fan of Nottingham City Transport, despite massive
>inflation-busting fare rises over the last three years.
NCT *are* good, but then so are some of the local Stagecoach, First
and Arriva operating units. Given the fiasco of Chester City
Transport, I don't think it's by any means a given that a municipal
would be better. It's all down to local management.
Neil
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:05
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:52:44 -0800 (PST), 826
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>Glad I'm not the only one! If RM have a parcel and I'm out they leave
>a card and I can collect it the following morning from the local
>office which opens at 0500 hrs.
At least yours opens at 0500. Mine opens at 0700, which as I get the
0711 train to work is pretty useless, and closes at 1900, which as I
arrive back at the station at 1912 is also fairly useless.
The idea of collection from a local post office for a fee is a good
one, but they should strike a deal with another organisation with
longer opening hours for that.
Or maybe there's a business opportunity there for charging to have an
item delivered somewhere where one can then collect for a fee?
Neil
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Author: allan tracyallan tracy Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:22
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> Oh well. Just some musing, I had no real point I was aiming towards.
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I believe that the real damage done to our railways wasn't caused by
Government interference, or otherwise, with the railways but
Government interference with the roads the railway's main competitor.
Whether left in private or state hands, the railways were always going
to be powerless to withstand the competition brought about by the huge
levels of Government investment into the road system.
The railway network was built entirely by private investment with the
intention of making profits whereas the road network was built
(starting pre-war) by Government using taxpayers money without any
consideration for profitable return.
This all happened whilst simultaneously the Government was still
raising substantial levels of tax on the big four's profits and even
greater levels of property taxes which indeed are still raised to this
day.
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Author: Jack TaylorJack Taylor Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:26
Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:52:44 -0800 (PST), 826
> btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> Glad I'm not the only one! If RM have a parcel and I'm out they leave
>> a card and I can collect it the following morning from the local
>> office which opens at 0500 hrs.
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> At least yours opens at 0500. Mine opens at 0700, which as I get the
> 0711 train to work is pretty useless, and closes at 1900, which as I
> arrive back at the station at 1912 is also fairly useless.
Same here (roughly). Added to which our local ParcelFarce depot is Milton
Keynes - which is no use to me whatsoever as I have no way of getting across
to collect from them. Delivery to a nominated local collection point would
be a good idea, IMO. At least Initial CityLink have a local depot and are
open on Saturday mornings!
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Author: bobraynerbobrayner Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:52
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:08:47 GMT, "Brian Robertson"
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>>>I hate privatisation, but without it I think that BR would have become like
>>>a sick tree, with branches withering and dieing.
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>> A good point. An efficient BR with the current inflated subsidy could
>> have been very good indeed, but would it have ever happened?
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> I'm afraid not.
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> I hate to sound like another Icke but it works within the governments
> best interests to keep us from moving about too much.
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Author: bobraynerbobrayner Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:54
> On 6 Jan, 16:09, Arthur Figgis example.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> If that is the plan, it is failing quite spectacularly. Mobility is
>> increasing, people are commuting from Yorkshire to London, rail traffic
>> is heading upwards each year, many trains are full, the GW Main Line is
>> turning into a commuter route, motoring costs fall in real terms, we
>> happily fly to New York for shopping and unpronounceable bits of Europe
>> for beer.
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> This is the calm before the storm Figgis.
What storm?
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Author: bobraynerbobrayner Date: Jan 6, 2008 23:56
> On Jan 6, 5:06 pm, allan tracy hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Railway privatisation failed in one respect only, in the respect that
>> the railways now cost the taxpayer five times what the state run
>> railway cost us.
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>> What we will never know though is why and it's far from clear that
>> privatisation alone (or even at all) was responsible?
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> I think it's obvious that privatisation is responsible for a
> significant part of it. A big slice of that taxpayers' money goes into
> the pockets of shareholders, while another chunk of it pays to manage
> all the contracts and so on that weren't necessary under B.R.
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> In your other post you wrote:
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>> What they [the treasury] never foresaw was that privatisation would
>> deliver passenger growth.
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Author: TimTim Date: Jan 7, 2008 00:27
Neil Williams wrote:
> At least yours opens at 0500. Mine opens at 0700, which as I get the
> 0711 train to work is pretty useless, and closes at 1900, which as I
> arrive back at the station at 1912 is also fairly useless.
If you live where I think you live, then I think you will find the hours
have been changed so that it closes at 1230. It is completely rubbish.
I think another example (as stated elsewhere) that once you start
cutting off the unprofitable shoulders, you shrink the middle too.
Tim
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Author: gonzogonzo Date: Jan 7, 2008 00:58
> On Jan 6, 10:50 am, MM yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> I would like to have a "British Railways" back.
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> I'm sorry but anyone that supports state control of any industry
> nowadays is simply a dinosaur, we really did leave all that sort of
> thing behind last century, and it's contrary to the direction in which
> just about every other developed economy is now moving.
>
You mean like the Qatari Investment Authority which is state owned and
rather keen on buying big British companies? Why is it ok for state owned
companies from abroad to buy our companies but bad for them to be state
owned here? The companies are bought by foreign state owned investment...
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