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Author: IanigsyIanigsy Date: Jan 6, 2008 21:44
On 6 Jan, 10:50, MM yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> I would like to have a "British Railways" back.
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> MM
The problem (as anybody who reads the European version of Today's
Railways will be only too aware) is that the UK is in the vanguard of
what has in the last 15 years become EU policy- the separation of...
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Author: JPJP Date: Jan 6, 2008 21:48
On Jan 6, 10:50 am, MM yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> I would like to have a "British Railways" back.
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> MM
Along with a municipal owned bus service please.
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Author: allan tracyallan tracy Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:13
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>> Socialism has just about lost all its credibility does anyone really
>> believe that stuff anymore, certainly not the leadership of the Labour
>> party or any Labour party that wants to get elected?
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> I guess it depends upon your priorities.
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> If you want a world made up of poverty, famine, greed, inequality,
> and
> illiteracy,
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Which perfectly describes the old Soviet block, pre (and probably
post) reform China and that other well known economic tiger North
Korea.
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Author: Roland PerryRoland Perry Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:13
In message
d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, at
12:48:18 on Sun, 6 Jan 2008, JP dodgeit.com> remarked:>Along with a municipal owned bus service please.
Because they do such a good job emptying your dustbins?
Actually, I'm a big fan of Nottingham City Transport, despite massive
inflation-busting fare rises over the last three years.
--
Roland Perry
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Author: Brian WhiteheadBrian Whitehead Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:37
On 6 Jan, 17:06, allan tracy hotmail.com> wrote:> On Jan 6, 10:50 am, MM yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I would like to have a "British Railways" back.
>
> I'm sorry but anyone that supports state control of any industry
> nowadays is simply a dinosaur, we really did leave all that sort of
> thing behind last century, and it's contrary to the direction in which
> just about every other developed economy is now moving.
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> Socialism has just about lost all its credibility does anyone really
> believe that stuff anymore, certainly not the leadership of the Labour
> party or any Labour party that wants to get elected?
>
> Railway privatisation failed in one respect only, in the respect that
> the railways now cost the taxpayer five times what the state run
> railway cost...
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Author: lwtlwt Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:40
On 6 Jan, 20:06, D1039 virgin.net> wrote:>> On 6 Jan, 14:09, David Hansen spidacom.co.uk> wrote:>
>>> Youngsters are always being written off by some older people. I
>>> suspect it was the same a thousand years ago.
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>> That might be so - but there's no denying that children today are
>> nowhere near as sociable, intelligent and motivated as those of
>> yesteryear.
>> Looking back in retrospect we can say that it has been an on-going
>> process.
>> We can also see that the 'problem gap' between today and fifteen years
>> ago is smaller than that of the 1990s and the 1940s.
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> I deny it
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You must be living in some sort of dark hole somewhere.
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Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:42
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> As the human development index of the United Nations makes clear year
> after year, Cuba should be the envy of many other nations, ostensibly
> far
> richer.
> Cuba demonstrates how much nations can do with the resources they have
> if they focus on the right priorities - health, education, and
> literacy.
And Cube also demonstrates how communism *creates* poverty-stricken
nations. It may spread the (limited) wealth a little more fairly, but it
also diminishes that wealth significantly.
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Author: Jamie ThompsonJamie Thompson Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:50
"What if" time....
How do you think the network would have developed had it not been
ravaged by the second world war, or indeed, been abused ( in regard to
lack of maintenance etc.) by the war effort of the first? Without the
first world war, the big four could have been unlikely to have formed
(though potentially they would have reached a similar stage through
normal business means at some point), and without the costs of
reconstruction following the second war BR would have been a much
harder sell. My point in all this is to try and imagine what the
private railways would look like now had they never been interfered
with, and if you think they would be better or worse off for it, as
you can then reflect on the differences with what we have currently
and how it could be improved.
Back before the wars the railways were profitable, though of course
they had no competition from cars. Despite that, I would imagine that
the private networks would have continued to develop (though not...
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Author: 826826 Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:52
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:05:40 -0000, Mike the unimaginative
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> wrote:
>>Agreed - I'd rather that Royal Mail (or even Parcel Farce) deliver my
>>on-line order rather than the cowboy couriers - I have even gone as far
>>as offering to pay extra for a RM delivery with some retailers. Now, if
>>they would offer evening deliveries.....
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> I would pay extra for the ability to collect at a local depot which
> would remain open all hours (until 9pm at the very earliest), as
> currently it is very inconvenient for me to collect at any time that
> postal or courier depots tend to be open, and it isn't really possible
> for me to have items delivered to work.
>
> Perhaps the supermarkets might be a good partner to offer this?
>
> Neil
>
> -- ...
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Author: Neil WilliamsNeil Williams Date: Jan 6, 2008 22:58
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:44:49 -0800 (PST), Ianigsy
hotmail.com> wrote:
>The problem (as anybody who reads the European version of Today's
>Railways will be only too aware) is that the UK is in the vanguard of
>what has in the last 15 years become EU policy- the separation of
>rolling stock from infrastructure and a level playing field for
>private operators who want to compete for business with state-run
>businesses.
Which, as Germany demonstrates, does not mean you can't have a
"British Railways Ltd" or whatever. You just have to have a split in
terms that the state operator needs to "charge itself" the same as an
open-access operator would. As has been demonstrated, there are few
such operators, so it really wouldn't be an issue.
That said, I don't think (for political reasons) that BR would ever
have been able to get the kind of funding the privatised railway now
gets, even if it would have potentially made us the envy of Europe.
Neil
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