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Author: St Georges Day April 23rdSt Georges Day April 23rd Date: Jun 15, 2008 00:15
EIRE SAYS NO TO THE LISBON TREATY
Irish voters have rejected the Lisbon treaty, the country's justice
minister conceded today, in a move which throws the entire project of
reshaping the EU into turmoil.
Monitors from the Fianna Fáil party at the main count in Dublin said
that so far the breakdown in votes showed a 52%% to 48%% majority for
the no camp.
"It looks like this will be a no vote," the justice minister, Dermot
Ahern, said. "At the end of the day, for a myriad of reasons, the
people have spoken.
"We will have to wait and see what happens in the rest of the
countries. Obviously if we are the only one to reject the treaty that
will raise questions. We are in uncharted territories."
Unofficial early polls suggested voters in most constituencies voted
against the Lisbon treaty, the state broadcaster RTE reported.
Official results are expected later today.
The no vote was strong in many rural areas and in working-class urban
areas, while middle-class areas appeared to be less supportive of the
treaty than had been anticipated, RTE said.
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Author: Jim HawkinsJim Hawkins Date: Jun 15, 2008 12:13
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>EIRE SAYS NO TO THE LISBON TREATY
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>Irish voters have rejected the Lisbon treaty, the country's justice
>minister conceded today, in a move which throws the entire project of
>reshaping the EU into turmoil.
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>Monitors from the Fianna F
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Author: Mel RowingMel Rowing Date: Jun 15, 2008 13:05
On Jun 15, 11:13 am, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:
> How many of those that vote either way in a referendum have
> any real knowledge of what they are voting for ?
The question is really not that complex you know.
It boils down to whether you wish your country to be ruled by a
government of the choosing of your own countymen or whther you would
prefer to see yourself as part of a bigger entity?
How you identify yourself a British (or in this case Irish) or
European.
Quite simple really!
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Author: Jim HawkinsJim Hawkins Date: Jun 15, 2008 18:05
"Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 11:13 am, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:
> How many of those that vote either way in a referendum have
> any real knowledge of what they are voting for ?
The question is really not that complex you know.
It boils down to whether you wish your country to be ruled by a
government of the choosing of your own countymen or whther you would
prefer to see yourself as part of a bigger entity?
How you identify yourself a British (or in this case Irish) or
European.
Quite simple really!
You make my point !
They knew sfa about the Lisbon treaty, so they voted on
what they wanted to vote on !
Jim Hawkins
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Author: Jim HawkinsJim Hawkins Date: Jun 15, 2008 18:15
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Author: Mel RowingMel Rowing Date: Jun 15, 2008 18:41
On Jun 15, 5:05 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:> "Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> news:eaac0bde-d715-4468-86d4-f9bdc004c08b@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 11:13 am, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:
>>> How many of those that vote either way in a referendum have
>> any real knowledge of what they are voting for ?
>
> The question is really not that complex you know.
> It boils down to whether you wish your country to be ruled by a
> government of the choosing of your own countrymen or whether you would
> prefer to see yourself as part of a bigger entity?
> How you identify yourself a British (or in this case Irish) or
> European.
> Quite simple really!
>
> You make my point !
> They knew sfa about the Lisbon treaty, so they voted on
> what they wanted to vote on ! ...
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Author: sizy_onesizy_one Date: Jun 15, 2008 19:04
On Jun 15, 5:15 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:> "Féachadóir" wrote in message
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>>> Scríobh "Jim Hawkins" manx.net>:>
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>>>The Eire result exemplifies how silly the whole idea of referendums is.
>>>In a democracy, the people elect to parliament persons whom they
>>>expect to be capable, intelligent and knowledgeable in the skills of
>>>government, and whose stated general policies they agree with.
>>>They expect them to take, on their behalf, decisions on the many
>>>things that they themselves are unable to make sound judgements
>>>about. ...
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Author: Jim HawkinsJim Hawkins Date: Jun 15, 2008 19:56
"Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 5:05 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:> "Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> news:eaac0bde-d715-4468-86d4-f9bdc004c08b@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 11:13 am, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:
>>> How many of those that vote either way in a referendum have
>> any real knowledge of what they are voting for ?
>
> The question is really not that complex you know.
> It boils down to whether you wish your country to be ruled by a
> government of the choosing of your own countrymen or whether you would
> prefer to see yourself as part of a bigger entity?
> How you identify yourself a British (or in this case Irish) or
> European.
> Quite simple really!
>
> You make my point ! ...
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Author: james.mcgregorjames.mcgregor Date: Jun 15, 2008 20:03
On Jun 15, 1:56 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:> "Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 15, 5:05 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:
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>>> "Mel Rowing" btinternet.com> wrote in message>
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>>> How many of those that vote either way in a referendum have
>>> any real knowledge of what they are voting for ?
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>> The question is really not that complex you know.
>> It boils down to whether you wish your country to be ruled by a
>> government of the choosing of your own countrymen or whether you would
>> prefer to see yourself as part of a bigger entity?
>> How you identify yourself a British (or in this case Irish) or ...
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Author: Jim HawkinsJim Hawkins Date: Jun 15, 2008 20:36
"sizy_one" bulldoghome.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 5:15 pm, "Jim Hawkins" manx.net> wrote:> "F
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