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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:23:10 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/bovoine_tb_in_goats_hidden_up_for_more_than_a_year_158014217t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/bovoine_tb_in_goats_hidden_up_for_more_than_a_year_158014217t.html
OK, we have got it now.

Outbreaks of Bovine TB in goats have been hidden up by Britain's
corrupt government vets for a year.

Standard procedure: lie, lie and lie again. Because of the secrecy
anyone could, and probably did, buy goats with Bovine TB completely
unaware of the risks.

Time the SVS were all sacked and responsible honest foreign vets
employed in their place.

Who needs badgers when we have sick vets disease?

No wonder Britain is a hell hole of animal and human disease.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7521325.stm


Goats are slaughtered in TB scare
By Carl Yapp
BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show


The disease is unusual in goats, says the Welsh Assembly Government
Twenty-two goats from six herds in Wales and England have been
slaughtered after cases of bovine TB were found in animals from
Carmarthenshire.

Nick Clayton of The Goat Veterinary Society (GVS) said the affected
herds were "dotted" around.

The disease was discovered in some rare golden Guernsey goats which
were being sold by a Carmarthenshire breeder.

The British Goat Society said the outbreak had come as a "complete
shock" to the industry.

Mr Clayton, from Gloucestershire, a retired vet of 35 years, said the
GVS was working with Animal Health, an executive agency of the
Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), which
is responsible for management of the outbreak

He said it was only the second of its type in more than 50 years.

Twenty-two goats have been culled and 20 had lesions typically
associated with the effects of TB

Nick Clayton of The Goat Veterinary Society

Bovine TB was diagnosed in a small number of goats in England 12
months ago, but it is not clear at present if that is linked to the
latest scare.

However, a "significant portion" of the rare golden Guernsey breed was
now at risk, he said.

"Twenty-two goats have been culled and 20 had lesions typically
associated with the effects of TB," Mr Clayton added.

"Six herds dotted around England and Wales have been tested now and a
few cases have been found.

"We know it (the disease) started in an area where there's a lot of TB
in cattle, badgers and deer, but until we get the final results in two
weeks we cannot say for certain that the strain of the disease is
bovine TB. However, we are 90%% certain."

Mr Clayton said consumers need not worry because commercially
available goats' milk was pasteurised, a process which kills TB.

Further tests could show, within about two miles, where the disease
originated.

Meanwhile, the British Goat Society, whose members are made up of
breeders, said it had been in contact with some of the farmers
affected by the outbreak.

"We've had contact with some of those who had bought the animals after
they were dispersed," said society health and welfare officer, Charlie
Peck.

"They are very upset and in a state of complete shock, as is the
industry.

Final stages

"There has been very, very few recorded incidents of TB in goats since
World War II."

Mr Peck said unlike cattle breeders affected by the disease, people
who bred goats were not entitled to compensation.

Meanwhile, the Welsh Assembly Government is in the final stages of
preparing an order that would allow inspectors powers of entry and
testing to premises where bovine TB is suspected in any animal.

The order, which will be put before AMs on 21 October, could come into
force the following day.

The assembly government confirmed the Carmarthenshire outbreak on
Tuesday, and said it knew of a similar case in England which is
understood to be linked.

The disease in goats is unusual, and animal health officials are
checking to see if it has spread to other herds.


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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:20:31 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/pre_existent_entities_ruining_our_lives_158027785t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/pre_existent_entities_ruining_our_lives_158027785t.html email.com> wrote:

>dh@. wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:28:52 GMT, Dutch email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:29:55 GMT, Dutch email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Logic of the Larder was defeated in 1914. Many legitimate arguments
>>>>> exist for the humane use of animals, LoL (aptly) is not one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is often said, as an excuse for the slaughter of animals, that it is
>>>>> better for them to live and to be butchered than not to live at all. " - Salt
>>>>
>>>> Only to people who believe that experiencing a decent life of
>>>> positive value is better than not experiencing it,
>>>
>>> It's an illegitimate argument. The wish is so obviously father to the
>>> thought...
>>
>> Try explaining how you think that prevents livestock from
>> benefitting from their lives.
>
>
>If by "benefiting from life" you mean deriving some enjoyment from the
>good things in it, then nothing.

Congratulations on whatever brief period of time you're able
to continue appreciating that fact.

>There is no doubt that every life contains some juice, some joy,

Yes there is. Some lives never contain any joy, like those of poor
little beasts who are torturously killed by ants as they're attempting
to hatch from their shells, for example.

>and we should be focused on promoting
>more of that for the animals we raise. But that is not an issue until a
>being comes into existence.

You appear to think things like deliberately providing decent
lives for livestock just happen instantly, and probably by some
sort of magic or maybe simply by farmers making a wish. In contrast
to your naive imaginings, such things have to be first decided upon
in advance, and then planned in advance, and then prepared in
advance. Your insistence that the issue not even be considered
until the animals already exist shows either astonishing ignorance,
stupidity and naivety, or incredible dishonesty. Which do you want
people to believe it is?

>What is wrong is to believe that we can take
>this innate juice of life and use it as a justification for raising food
>animals. Its obvious self-serving sophism.

In contrast to that grotesque dishonesty: It is NECESSARY
to consider the animals themselves, when considering whether
or not it's cruel for them to be raised for food.

>[..]
>>>
>>>> There's nothing that you have ever written, said, or
>>>> thought that tells us how you think pre-existent entities
>>>> are ruining our lives. So I AGAIN challenge you to try
>>>> explaining it NOW:
>>> How did you get this confused?
>>
>> The confusion is on your end, not mine.
>
>No, it's not. You have never shown that you understand the inherent
>contradiction in the phrase "benefit from life".

I'm aware of some things:

1. Life is the benefit which makes all others possible.
2. Some people/person insists that something to do with
pre-existent entities prevents existing ones from benefitting
from their own existence, but can't explain exactly how they
think it is accomplished.

>You argue for the idea
>in the rhetorical sense to mean "get enjoyment from life" but in the
>Logic of the Larder it is used literally, as in "to benefit by coming
>into existence". That's where the fundamental error in the whole
>argument lies.

Some lives are of positive value and some are not. You
still can't make a distinction between:
_________________________________________________________
1 b : a principle or force that is considered to underlie the
distinctive quality of animate beings

2 a : the sequence of physical and mental experiences that make
up the existence of an individual

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life
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and you also are in no position to try making a distinction
between when life has positive value for animals and when
it does not. Such details are beyond you/Goo.

> I point out that you
>> have never explained it, can't explain it, and therefore never
>> will be able to explain it. You want to pretend that you've already
>> explained it even though you can't do it now nor can you provide
>> any examples of you having done it in the past, nor will there ever
>> be any examples of you doing it in the future.
>
>I did just above.

You did when you wrote: "nothing". Your referrence to the
talking pig is as always meaningless.

>>> "Pre-existent entities" are not ruining
>>> anything, the concept is postulated as a way to allow the idea "coming
>>> into existence is a benefit" to make logical sense. Of course common
>>> sense says that no such entities "exist", therefore coming into
>>> existence cannot be a benefit.
>>
>> What you need to do in order to back up your claim, is explain
>> how you think your own pre-existence or/and that of any other
>> entity is preventing you from benefitting from your own existence.
>> But you can't, meaning that you give us nothing to even consider
>> much less put faith in. Amusingly for me, you have obviously put
>> your faith in the idea even though you are completely unable to
>> explain why or how. If you think you can explain it, try doing it
>
>You're missing the point.

I'm WAY beyond you on all of this, and you can't catch up.
Billions of animals DO experience decent lives of positive value
because they are raised for food. The fact that you don't want
people to take that into consideration shows several things:

1. you yourself are completely inconsiderate of the animals.
2. most likely you are very disturbed by the fact that humans
raise animals for food.
3. you do not want people to raise animals for food.
4. you are opposed to providing and appreciating decent lives
for livestock, ie: decent animal welfare.
5. you are in favor of eliminating livestock, and almost certainly
all other domestic animals as well.
6. you are opposed to people deliberately supporting decent
lives for livestock with their livestyle, because it works directly
against the elimination objective.

>Once an animal exists, THEN there are many
>ways to enhance that life.

I cannot believe that you are too ignorant, stupid and
naive to understand that livestock need to be planned
for a number of different ways IN ADVANCE. I can not
believe that you are too ignorant, stupid and naive to
understand that one of the ways they need to be planned
for in advance is to decide whether or not to raise them
at all in the first place.

>That's all very admirable.

How do you think it would work then? Explain exactly
how instead of planning for future hens, you think existing
hens in battery cages can be provided with decent lives.
Then try explaining why you don't think we should consider
future hens even if existing ones are somehow provided with
decent lives by your plan that you have (could/can not!!!)
explained in detail.

>If you insist on
>saying that existence itself justifies raising beings then the door is
>wide open for the kind of arguments that slavers have made.

Obviously you are disturbed by the fact that humans
raise animals for food and think of it in the same way you
think of human slavery. You are mentally and emotionally
disturbed by and opposed to the fact. Those of us who
are not are able to consider which lives we feel would be
decent and worth living, and which ones we feel would
be of negative value and not worth living. People like
yourself can not make such a distinction and therefore
can't even comprehend how anyone else could do it.
Your limitation stifles and distorts every thought you try
to have regarding the issue of raising animals for food.
Since you are opposed to the practice regardless of
quality of life you not only are unable to appreciate any
distinction beteen positive and negative lives, but you
are even farther away from being able to appreciate
what could be done to provide improvements which
would change the quality/value of life for billions of
animals in the future.

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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:45:40 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/animal_health_latest_defra_scam_157956105t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/animal_health_latest_defra_scam_157956105t.html respect of animal health. The Food Standards Agency seems to have
bolted. That can hardly bolster their confidence.

Intimidation having failed, they are into serious back protection
re-writing of history and frame-ups

The latest Defra inspired scam is to point you to web sites that
require registration or subscription.

Most people are well aware of the dangers of showing too much interest
in animal health and allowing their identity to become known.

That especially applies to agricultural journalists, who will find
them cut off from leaks. Farmers face real but different problems.

There on these sites, hidden up for the insiders, are various
admissions that they don't want the mainstream media to notice or the
search engines to pick-up.

Later, of course, they will defend themselves by pointing out that it
had been published giving the date and page.

Anyone abroad and safe from the long reach of Britain's bent vets
should register. You live free from the world's first, only and last
vetocracy - count tour blessings - and make the most of your freedom.

There are signs that they are planning a "let's blame pets" diversion.

The cat with TB is a typical example when no one legged Albanians are
available.

The RCVS issued detailed and open instructions yonks ago for vets
handling pets with possible superbug infections, but were strangely
quiet about livestock.

So, in general, investigators should take a careful note of such
sites.

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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:22:07 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/c_diff_wales_20_percent_under_65_157948169t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/c_diff_wales_20_percent_under_65_157948169t.html
20%% of C.Diff cases estimated to be in the under 65s. This is of
interest in Canada too.

The number of people infected by C.Diff iin the UK and Canada is
massive. That means the number under 65 is also pretty substantial and
will include large numbers of children.

And we leave corrupt vets running big operations with vast numbers of
permanently sick pigs stuffed full of antibiotics to get them into the
food chain?

What a scandal!

Heads will roll. Heads should roll. It is ridiculous.

Any country that allows veterinary greed to be put before the lives of
its children needs change urgently.

http://www.mlwmagazine.com/story.asp?sectioncode=201&storyCode=2048274

Wales ups its C. diff surveillance
23 July 2008

The Chief Medical Officer for Wales has revealed plans to extend the
mandatory surveillance of Clostridium difficile.

Up until now only infection rates among patients aged 65 and over have
been published. Under the new plans reporting will extend to cover all
confirmed cases of the infection in patients aged over two.

This initiative comes in response to advice from the Welsh Healthcare
Associated Infection team at the National Public Health Service for
Wales and from Welsh Assembly Government health professionals.

Fuller data will be published for the first time in September,
specifying all patients confirmed with the infection between January
and the end of June 2008. Following an evaluation, this data will form
part of routine health associated infection publications in 2009.

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Jewell noted that up to 3%% of healthy
adults carry C. difficile and that it generally causes them no harm.
And he explained some of the reasoning behind the current age range
for infection reporting: "All patients over the age of two who are
suspected of having antibiotic associated diarrhoea are routinely
tested for C. difficile and the laboratory results are recorded but
not published. This has been because the evidence clearly shows that
C. difficile is a particular risk to older people who account for 80%%
of cases."

However, he added: "Due to concerns about the increased rate of C.
difficile in the over two age group in England, the Assembly
Government asked the Welsh Healthcare Associated Infection team to
look at how data can be published in Wales for surveillance and
benchmarking."


To ensure consistency across Wales, the Assembly Government will also
issue a new protocol for testing for the so-called hospital superbug.
As the incidence of infection may depend on a range of factors,
including the age of patients being treated and the type of services
provided, it can be difficult to compare statistics between trusts in
a meaningful way. The new protocol will therefore provide guidance on
when and how to test for the infection, thereby aiding data
comparability. The possibility of publishing information on the
severity of the infection for the patient is also being considered.

The National Public Health Service for Wales said of the plans: "The
underlying reason for developing the surveillance schemes is for them
to be indicators of the local burden of disease and track trends for
local organisations, who can then assess their own performance and
adjust their own procedures when problems are identified."

Health Minister Edwina Hart stressed that the plans were part of a
progressive strategy and that the risk of developing a healthcare
associated infection remains low: "Our strategy for tackling all
infections, which has been endorsed by the Wales Audit Office and
Assembly's Audit Committee, is paying off with lower infection rates
in Wales. But we are not complacent and are working hard to drive them
down even further."

She added: "While they will never be entirely preventable, there are
measures in place to reduce the risk and spread of infections.
Healthcare Inspectorate Wales, the independent organisation set up to
inspect NHS settings, has appointed a number of peer reviewers to look
at trusts' infection control procedures and the unannounced hospital
cleanliness spot-checks will continue."

The Minister also cited the 1,000 Lives campaign, launched in April,
which aims to reduce avoidable risk to patient safety through the
implementation of new ways of working and techniques developed by
clinicians in Wales.

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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:08:42 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_c_dif_no_more_antibiotics_doctors_told_157938697t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_c_dif_no_more_antibiotics_doctors_told_157938697t.html point that huge quantities of antibiotics are used to get sick pigs
into the food chain.

The illogicality of the policy is there for all to see. As is the
continuing refusal to admit that British pigs have MRSA and probably
C.Diff.

The deliberate leaking of false assurances that the pigs are MRSA
Free will sink them.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/newsdesk,1188,no-more-antibiotics-doctors-told,364...

Wednesday July 23, 2008

No more antibiotics, doctors toldDoctors are to be told by the
National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) that they
muist stop prescribing antibiotics to patients suffering from minor
ailments in a bid to halt the development of drug-resistant
infections.

Under new NICE guidance, doctors must recommend other forms of
recovery from ear infections, sore throats, tonsillitis, colds, sinus
infections, coughs and bronchitis, such as staying at home and resting
for the course of the ailment or prescribing painkillers.

The Government launched a £270m ad campaign yesterday to warn patients
that coughs and colds are not curable with drugs and that instead
using antibiotics and the like can lead to the spread of superbugs
such as MRSA or Clostridium difficile.

Up to 38 million prescriptions were written by GPs last year, with
two-thirds of all antibiotic scrips being written for respiratory
illnesses.

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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:54:22 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/bovine_tb_found_in_british_goats_england_and_wales_157824009t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/bovine_tb_found_in_british_goats_england_and_wales_157824009t.html
What next?

Why is the location kept secret?

Why was the similar case in England kept secret?

To save Britain's bent vets embarassment no doubt, whilst they get on
and threaten anyway likely to say anything they don't what known.

That's what you get when you fail to put the police in to deal with
obvious criminals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7519265.stm

Bovine TB outbreak in Welsh goats
Carl Yapp

BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show


The disease is unusual in goats, says the assembly government
Cases of bovine TB have been found in goats in Carmarthenshire.

The Welsh Assembly Government confirmed the outbreak and said it knew
of a similar case in England, but it is not clear if they are linked.

The disease in goats is "unusual", and animal health officials are
checking to see if it has spread to other herds.

The latest TB cases came as some MPs and AMs urged the assembly
government to halt plans to cull badgers, which are known to spread TB
to cattle.

Farmers' groups believe a cull of badgers would stem a rise in cases.

Of the outbreak in goats, Brian Walters, vice-president of the
Farmers' Union of Wales (FUW), said the news was a worrying
development, while a goat milk producer in Carmarthenshire voiced her
concerns.

It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry

Brian Walters, Farmers' Union of Wales

An assembly government spokeswoman said: "We are aware of an outbreak
of bovine TB in goats in England and Wales that includes a case in
Carmarthenshire."

Defra's executive agency Animal Health are responsible for management
of the outbreak, as well as possible tracings to other herds.

"Animal Health are keeping officials in the TB team at the Welsh
Assembly Government fully informed of developments with this
outbreak," said the spokeswoman.

"A letter will shortly be published in the veterinary record
summarising the current situation and advising veterinary
practitioners of the need to consider bovine TB when investigating
goats with clinical signs suggestive of the disease.

"The Goat Veterinary Society (GVS) has also circulated information to
its members."

'Worrying development'

The spokeswoman added that such outbreaks were "unusual" and, as with
all infections, they were treated seriously.

It is not known where in Carmarthenshire the outbreak has occurred.

The GVS on its website said the disease was first found following a
post mortem examination of a goat in Wales a few weeks ago.

"The herd in question was in the process of being sold up due to
retirement at the time the discovery was made," writes the society's
secretary Nick Clayton to members.

"And many of the goats from that herd went to two other herds, from
both of which stock had been sold on quite widely."

The FUW's Mr Walters said it was a "worrying development".

"It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry,"
he said.

"The question is why and how did the goats pick it up?"

Loraine Makowski-Heaton, a goat farmer from near Llandeilo,
Carmarthenshire, said people in the industry were concerned about the
outbreak.

But she said the majority of goat milk producers, including her,
pasteurised their milk.

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]]> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:19:13 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_pigs_dutch_benefit_from_courage_and_truth_157751817t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_pigs_dutch_benefit_from_courage_and_truth_157751817t.html don't seem to be suffering unduly from admitting they had MRSA in
their pigs and pig people, years ago.

Their scientists even flew to the US and warned the Americans and the
world of what they had discovered, before they were even peer
reviewed.

They took sensible precautions in good time, including telling the
truth promptly and moving on to protect the people and the hospitals.

You can find all this in the archives of the newsgroup
uk.business.agriculture fully searchable through Google Groups.

The Dutch have even been buying up Britain's beleaguered pig
industry.

Who screwed up in Britain?

Britain's bent government vets. That's who.

http://www.pigprogress.net/home/id1602-60905/dutch_pigmeat_prices_highest_in_months...

Dutch pigmeat prices highest in months// 22 Jul 2008

Prices for pigs in the Netherlands have reached the highest quotes in
months – and further rises, even record-breaking, are thought to be
likely.

This week and last week, pork processor Vion paid €1.65 for 1 kg
slaughterweight. As there are limited supplies, further rises are
expected – some even predict prices up to €1.90/kg, which would be
even higher than 2001.

In that year, supplies were limited due to the outbreak of
Foot-and-Mouth Disease (FMD).

Euphoria is somewhat limited however, due to high feed costs.

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]]> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:27:04 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/pig_industry_reorganisation_under_way_157749257t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/pig_industry_reorganisation_under_way_157749257t.html Pat's Note; The cover story for the purge at BPEX and the
re-establishment of government control.

The NFU will be untaking the same process in respect of the NPA.

Then I presume they will settle down to getting rid of the rump of the
SVS and doing something about Britain's sick pigs and associated human
disease.

Too long, too late, too crude and too slow.


http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/743620?UserKey=0

Services to be centralised under new business structure
Levy regime to make savings of £3.5m a year

By jOE WATSON

Published: 19/07/2008

Britain’s new agricultural levy regime has agreed the business
structure under which it will operate and generate £3.5million in
annual savings.

Finance, IT, levy collection, human resources, market intelligence,
business and corporate services and communications will all be
centralised at the Agricultural and Horticulture Development Board.

It has also agreed to recruit a chief scientist and a senior marketing
specialist to boost collaboration across all six of its subsidiary
bodies that are responsible for milk, horticulture, potatoes, grain
and English beef, lamb and pork.

Job cuts are expected, but AHDB has yet to say how many posts are
expected to go in a process that also involves it relocating the
offices of its subsidiaries – Bpex, DairyCo, Eblex, the Horticultural
Development Company, HGCA and the Potato Council – from various sites
in southern England to a new base at Stoneleigh in Warwickshire.

AHDB chairman John Bridge said: “Our priorities during this financial
year are threefold: firstly the successful delivery of the sector
business plans without undue interruption. Secondly to develop and
start to populate the operational structure for AHDB and finally to
put in place the corporate governance policies and procedures to
ensure AHDB continues to operate to the high standards set by the
former levy boards.

AHDB took responsibility for agricultural levies across Britain in
April.

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]]> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:12:47 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_have_the_conservatives_something_to_hide_too_157748233t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/uk.business.agriculture/mrsa_have_the_conservatives_something_to_hide_too_157748233t.html the direction of understating the problem.

C.Diff is only recorded on patients over 65. Many infected are younger
than that.

MRSA suffers from similar distortions. Canadians are complaining about
exactly the same problems. They are openly calling them cover-ups and
are harassing their politicians fiercely on the issue.

The problem is far bigger than admitted in Britain and there is no
clear evidence that things are improving. For C.Diff they are
acknowledged as getting worse in the UK.

However, there are signs that finally the point is sinking in that
deep cleans however desirable are not the answer and that screening on
entry to hospital is the answer.

They could have done what the Dutch did four years ago and put
screening of pig and pork workers at the head of the queue. Dutch
hospitals have few of the problems despite their pigs having PMWS and
MRSA.

It would have saved many lives and released huge sums for using
elsewhere in the NHS.

The Conservatives seem to be very tentatively grasping the point, but
seem to fail to realise that they are missing an open goal.

Defra's refusal to test the pigs and later to release any results is
inexplicable and unexploited by the Opposition.

Why? Have they something to hide too?

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Tories attack ministers over superbugs

Tuesday 22nd July 2008 at 12:12 AM

The government has defended its record on tackling hospital superbugs
after the Conservatives described the deep clean programme as a
"flawed gimmick".

Shadow health minister Stephen O'Brien said on Tuesday that there were
4,500 cases of MRSA in 2007/08.

Pointing out that this was nearly 600 more than the level needed "for
the government to meet its target to halve MRSA rates by last March",
he said that C.difficile cases increased by six per cent compared to
the previous quarter.

"Will the secretary of state accept that the deep clean programme was
a flawed gimmick by the prime minister desperate for a headline?"
O'Brien said.

He called on the government to "stop pandering to populism about
hospital cleanliness and listen to the evidence about washing hands,
screening and bed occupancy rates".

Responding, health secretary Alan Johnson spoke of a "real real
success story" in tackling hospital infections.

He told MPs he did not understand how the Conservatives could
criticise the current figures, which show a 33 per cent reduction in
MRSA and a 32 per cent reduction in C.diff.

Johnson said that rates of C.diff were always up against the previous
quarter "because we're taking the winter period when more older people
go into hospital".

"I would have thought he would have been celebrating the latest
statistics," the secretary of state said.

He said that "no-one on these benches or anyone in the health service"
had stopped telling professionals to wash their hands, responsibly
prescribe antibiotics and ensure that anybody showing the symptoms of
MRSA is isolated.

"On the issue of screening, we announced that we will pre-screen
everyone in elective surgery and everyone in emergency surgery over
this comprehensive spending review period," he added.

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Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com

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