Steve Firth wrote:

Ready for Stubbsie when he called. :-)

Gerald L R Stubbs zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

Why would he have a bottle of claret if he was a teetotaller?

Pat's Note: This does not surprise me in the least.

My primitive understanding of science, leads me to defend even the
worst pig farmers on this issue.

Animal rights got it wrong, when they went at night into pig farms,
they thought they were seeing cruelty.

and they thought that the vastly increased use of antibiotics post
1999 was as an illegal growth promoter.

Neither are true except as a consequence of Britain's pig herds being
desperately sick and the government vets hiding up the epidemic of
PMWS - Circovirus from 1999 onwards.

The vets were treating the pigs to try to keep them alive long enough
to get them into the food chain. Food poisoning in humans was the
inevitable result of such a cavalier behaviour.

PMWS hit pigs get everything else too, to complicate the already
desperately dangerous situation.

http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/17985/ie-coli-i-is-also-present-among-swine

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Pat's Notes: There are unless something is not done immediately to
deal with MRSA and possibly D.Diff in pigs.

Do the people of Britain have to agree not to prosecute the offenders
in Defra before they will release the news that MRSA is in Britain's
pigs?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2000808/Hospital-superbugs-like-MRSA-are-here-to...

Hospital superbugs like MRSA are here to stay
By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor

Last Updated: 12:14PM BST 21/05/2008

Hospital superbugs will always be a problem and it is impossible to
eliminate them completely, a Government scientist has admitted.
Prof Peter Borriello, director of the centre for infections at the
Health Protection Agency, said efforts will continue to reduce
hospital infections to the absolute minimum but they will not be
beaten.

He told Radio 4’s Today programme: “People will always have to expect
some level of hospital acquired infection. It is not possible never to
have a hospital acquired infection. That doesnÂ’t happen anywhere in
the world and never did in the past.”

Pat's Note:

...and they still won't admit to testing the pigs for MRSA, still less
releasing the results.

What is so different in Britain?

An out of control corrupt gang of government vets - that is what is
different.

They have dragged Britain down to being a disease infested backwater.
To think that they even have rights to monitor communications!

Are we hanging about waiting fo a new Minister, a new Chief Vet and
the results of a by-election for some action?

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jPPdbkst96d6YMecRfuAc57faeVQ

UK patients 'more prone to MRSA'
7 hours ago

UK hospital patients are among the most likely in Europe to catch
MRSA, according to figures published.

The risk of getting the virus is tiny in the Netherlands and
Scandinavian countries - between 1%% and 5%%.

But in the UK the chances rise to about 45%% - higher than anywhere
else in the EU except Portugal, Malta, Cyprus and Romania.

Pat's Note. Here is a fascinating contribution to the animal health
debate.

I think it wise to remind you that the British 2000 CSF outbreak was
never traced to wild pigs. Despite Maff's best efforts to find some,
there were no wild pigs. Let alone any with CSF.

Maff-Defra did try to find some to blame prompted by cock and bull
stories deliberately encouraged by farmers and farm workers anxious to
get rid of the occupation army of often arrogant SVS vets.

The writer was interviewed by senior government vets at the time to
try to trace any wild pigs and had the uneviable task of telling them
why the stories were circulating in an area with no wild pigs.

The SVS were eventually forced back to ham sandwiches, illegal
immigrants and anything else that did not point to gross incompetance
in the government veterinary service.

The fact that they never even mentioned the possibiliy of CSF arriving
in a legal import allowed in by Maff, as it was then, rather gave the
game away.

Everyone in the eastern counties knows perfectly well that imports of
live pigs were a regular occuarnce: export too, of course.

In article indaal.demon.co.uk>,
Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk (Malcolm) wrote:

The bogs are the bits at the bottom. If you are lucky, you can also find
bogs at the top of the mountain at times... when it rains... which happens
sometimes, in Ireland.

Steve Rawlings

Pat's Note:

Beggar it! They will have to revert to Jim's black helicopters.

Would you be sure about visiting the US, if you were a livestock vet?

The top men at BAE were only alleged to have backhanded the odd
prince. Imagine what it would be like if you had shipped disease to
the prairies by signing false health certificates.

If the American's decide that Britain is going to investigate its bent
government vets, it's bent government vets will be investigated.

uk.business.agriculture is the place to come for the facts and the
background.

(I hope you are getting on with it, Greymaus. I've stood on your very
attractive railway satation many times for the Dublin train. It's a
nice trip with rich rewards for you at the end.

Actually, the station is a nice place for a statue. If you can't find
any urchins to write rude words on your statue, in these days of full
employment, I'll find some for you.

Every great man deserves to have rude words written on his statue.

It is only fair. Reading the Irish nationals is a labour of love,)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/business/worldbusiness/20bae.html?ref=business

Hi: Happened to find information about the Great Yorkshire this
morning. Boy, would I ever like to be able to go and see this show!

http://www.farmequip.org/meetmtrFrame.htm

Burkie in Kansas

Pat's Note:

Just confirmation of what we alredy know. Ireland, both parts, have
had serious problems with PMWS - Circovirus in their pigs for a long
time.

http://www.independent.ie/farming/news-features/pressure-business-1380680.html

....This has risen substantially over the past five years due to
soaring medication costs, principally due to the occurrence of PMWS on
many units. The availability of new commercial vaccines for this may
help reduce these costs in the long term. ...

Pat's further notes: Five years, it was actually a bit longer, puts us
back to mid 2003.

The medication costs were huge quantities of antibiotics. There were
no vaccines then.

That is all consistant with the emergence of MRSA and C.Diff an
epidemic levels in humans. Ireland and England were very close in the
time scale. Scotland was a little later - then probably the
Continentals and Canada. Last the US.