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Author: dennisosmdennisosm Date: Apr 28, 2008 17:34
Hi folks,
An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
LOL :-) ... but seriously, would not allowing for the _possibility_
that some of our biological structures / processes (especially on the
cellular level) were products of design rather than simply random
processes could actually help us better understand ourselves.
Consider simply "self aware" computer in the future. Would it not
help the self-aware computer better understand itself, its origins,
and even its flaws if it were open to the possibility that it was at
least partially designed by an "older, higher intelligence" (the
computer engineers that built it) rather than simply random processes?
Now how would one discern that a particular biological process was the
product of "intelligent design" rather than simply random processes.
Archeologists, anthropologists and more recently primatologists...
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Author: Donald E. FloodDonald E. Flood Date: Apr 28, 2008 17:42
> Hi folks,
>
> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>
Correct. ID would not prove supernaturalism or the existence of God.
>
> Now how would one discern that a particular biological process was the
> product of "intelligent design" rather than simply random processes.
Evolution is NOT random!!!
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Author: dennisosmdennisosm Date: Apr 28, 2008 18:30
On Apr 28, 10:42 am, "Donald E. Flood" mchsi.com> wrote:>> Hi folks,
>
>> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
>> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
>> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
>> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>
> Correct. ID would not prove supernaturalism or the existence of God.
>
So why would scientists be afraid of it?
>
>> Now how would one discern that a particular biological process was the
>> product of "intelligent design" rather than simply random processes.
>
> Evolution is NOT random!!! ...
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Author: HatterHatter Date: Apr 28, 2008 19:21
On Apr 28, 11:34 am, dennisosm yahoo.com> wrote:> Hi folks,
>
> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>
> LOL :-) ... but seriously, would not allowing for the _possibility_
> that some of our biological structures / processes (especially on the
> cellular level) were products of design rather than simply random
> processes could actually help us better understand ourselves.
>
No, it introduces facts not in evidence. You assume what's in your
face and gather data. If your data leads to a new hypothesis, you test
it. Assuming facts not in evidence has led to most dead...
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Author: newsnews Date: Apr 28, 2008 19:29
In alt.atheism dennisosm yahoo.com> wrote:> On Apr 28, 10:42
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Author: Tokay Pino GrisTokay Pino Gris Date: Apr 28, 2008 20:00
dennisosm wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>
> LOL :-) ... but seriously, would not allowing for the _possibility_
> that some of our biological structures / processes (especially on the
> cellular level) were products of design rather than simply random
> processes could actually help us better understand ourselves.
Evolution is not random.
Secondly, the "idea" is of course allowed that "some of our biological
structures / processes [...] were products of design". Unless you can
show that it is the case, however, it stops there. So far, we have no
hint that it is the case. "Irreducible complexity" is false.
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Author: Christopher A. LeeChristopher A. Lee Date: Apr 28, 2008 20:04
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT), dennisosm
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 10:42 am, "Donald E. Flood" mchsi.com> wrote:>>> Hi folks,
>>
>>> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
>>> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
>>> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
>>> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>>
>> Correct. ID would not prove supernaturalism or the existence of God.
>>
>So why would scientists be afraid of it?
Why do you liars pretend they are?
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Author: Tokay Pino GrisTokay Pino Gris Date: Apr 28, 2008 20:01
dennisosm wrote:
> On Apr 28, 10:42 am, "Donald E. Flood" mchsi.com> wrote:>>> Hi folks,
>>> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
>>> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
>>> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
>>> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>> Correct. ID would not prove supernaturalism or the existence of God.
>>
> So why would scientists be afraid of it?
Why should we be afraid of it? We go where evidence leads us. And it
doesn't lead us to "ID". Simple as that.
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Author: bvallelybvallely Date: Apr 28, 2008 20:06
On Apr 28, 8:34 am, dennisosm yahoo.com> wrote:> Hi folks,
>
> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
.
Nope - that's not the opinion supported by Mr. Stein, but an Atheist
who had a meltdown on camera.
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Author: Christopher A. LeeChristopher A. Lee Date: Apr 28, 2008 20:14
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:21 -0700 (PDT), "bvallely@ aol.com"
aol.com> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 8:34 am, dennisosm yahoo.com> wrote:>> Hi folks,
>>
>> An implication from Ben Stein's movie "Expelled: No Intelligence
>> Allowed" for me was that "intelligent design" _need not_ require "God
>> language" but simply a designer, the designer simply being an older,
>> higher intelligence -- "space aliens" ;-)
>.
>Nope - that's not the opinion supported by Mr. Stein, but an Atheist
>who had a meltdown on camera.
Except that it wasn't. It was edited to make it look that way.
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