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Re: What all Religions have in common         


Author: maz
Date: Aug 5, 2007 13:50

"Katie" yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
> On Aug 5, 11:31 am, "maz" rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> The Golden Rule
>
> You mean they preach the golden rule but don't bother practicing it.

No, i don't mean that. I mean all are students/teachers,
and that we need to practise in order to become
masters. Inconsistencies along the way can be both,
stumbling blocks and also stepping stones. See the
difference?
> Hypocrisy is what all religions have in common, actually.

That's only a matter of focus. One could also say
they all have good will in common at their core.

namazt
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Re: What all Religions have in common         


Author: maz
Date: Aug 5, 2007 13:57

> ...say they all have good will in common at their core.

And that is what I say. Only, I'd spell Core w/ capital C.
> namazt
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Re: What all Religions have in common         


Author: Carrie
Date: Aug 5, 2007 14:36

"neo" operamail.com> wrote in message
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>
> maz wrote:
>
> .
>
> The golden rule in simplest form is, 'treat others the same way you
> would want to be treated by others'.
>
> There are arguments against this golden rule. The depressed person
> would want treatment to be killed by others and following golden rule
> he is obliged to treat others same way i.e kill others.
>
> I didn't know this golden rule until 27 Dec 2004. During discussion in
> alt.atheism, I wrote my own code of conduct which is...
> ...
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Re: What all Religions have in common         


Author: Chuck
Date: Aug 5, 2007 15:51

On Aug 5, 4:50 pm, "maz" rocketmail.com> wrote:
> "Katie" yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
>
>> On Aug 5, 11:31 am, "maz" rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Golden Rule
>
>> You mean they preach the golden rule but don't bother practicing it.
>
> No, i don't mean that. I mean all are students/teachers,
> and that we need to practise in order to become
> masters. Inconsistencies along the way can be both,
> stumbling blocks and also stepping stones. See the
> difference?
>
>> Hypocrisy is what all religions have in common, actually.
>
> That's only a matter of focus. One could also say
> they all have good will in common at their core.
>
> namazt ...
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Chuck
Date: Aug 5, 2007 15:56

On Aug 5, 11:36 am, "maz" rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>> Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1
>
> Yeah, that's like saying we should abandon our
> healthy sex lives because some whackos indulge
> in cross dressing perversity. rotfl!

I'm glad you have assigned the role of thinking to Johnny Boy. The
Dutch certainly do have an image of *healthy sex* not shared by the
rest of civilized society. Are you trying to say that you reject what
you live with daily? Is this NG your sanctuary?
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Chuck
Date: Aug 5, 2007 16:38

On Aug 5, 12:47 pm, "Lee" <4gi...@innocent.com> wrote:
> Lee <4gi...@innocent.com> wrote:
>> Katie yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Human beings who sacrifice their intellectual integrity on the altar
>>> of any religious dogma can work terrible mischief in this world.
>>> Those who really believe they are doing "God's Will" can literally be
>>> "murder" for the rest of us. "....
>>>http://ffrf.org/fttoday/2001/nov01/ricker.html
>
>> "All fanatics are dangerous. Religious fanatics are especially
>> so because they believe the 'Truth" they claim has the sanction
>> of a deity and thus cannot be challenged by mere mortals."
>
> This quote is from the essay Katie linked to, btw.
>
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Katie
Date: Aug 5, 2007 16:50

"maz" rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1
>
> Yeah, that's like saying we should abandon our
> healthy sex lives because some whackos indulge
> in cross dressing perversity. rotfl!

No, actually, it's not.
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Katie
Date: Aug 5, 2007 17:16

"Chuck" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this is really simple. Helen did not take
> responsibility for the work in her lifetime as far as I can see. She
> allowed it to be spread, and failed to take responsibility for this
> action as well. I don't care what her excuses were. I don't expect to
> get away with this kind of behavior. To expect me to allow someone
> else to get away with this kind of behavior is inconsistent with my
> expectations of myself and everyone else I deal with. If someone wants
> to claim they channel someone I recognize (or not), fine. I expect
> them to be responsible for what they do with what they channel. And
> the test of that, for me, is being able to explain what the meaning is
> and to be able to live by what they channel. If they can't do that,
> it's preaching with another layer of excuse, as far as I'm concerned.
> Cable is filled with preachers, and I don't pay much attention to them
> either. Translated, apply ACIM to Helen's life and see how she failed
> to live what she promulgated on the rest of humanity, by her own
> admission. By her example, our shared responsibility to each other is
> erroded. I happen to value that shared responsibility as a core value
> in our life on spaceship earth. ...
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Gene Ward Smith
Date: Aug 5, 2007 17:46

Chuck yahoo.com> wrote in news:1186357137.255463.169990@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
> As far as I'm concerned, this is really simple. Helen did not take
> responsibility for the work in her lifetime as far as I can see.

You don't see very far.
> She allowed it to be spread, and failed to take responsibility for this
> action as well.

The copyright wasn't taking responsibility? The publication of the first
edition of the Blue Book wasn't taking responsibility?

Where do you get this lunatic notions?
> I don't care what her excuses were.

WHAt behavior, shit-for-brains? YOU refuse to take responsibility for
your disgusting support of Katie's behavior, and you think you have the
moral standing to judge Helen Schucman like this? You are an asshole,
Buster.
> I don't expect to
> get away with this kind of behavior.

What horseshit. You expect to get away with your creepy, slimy behavior
on this newsgroup, do you not?
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Re: Why Religious Belief Should Be Abandoned - Part 1         


Author: Tera Free Nws
Date: Aug 5, 2007 20:18

On Aug 5, 7:16 pm, "Katie" yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Chuck" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> As far as I'm concerned, this is really simple. Helen did not take
>> responsibility for the work in her lifetime as far as I can see. She
>> allowed it to be spread, and failed to take responsibility for this
>> action as well. I don't care what her excuses were. I don't expect to
>> get away with this kind of behavior. To expect me to allow someone
>> else to get away with this kind of behavior is inconsistent with my
>> expectations of myself and everyone else I deal with. If someone wants
>> to claim they channel someone I recognize (or not), fine. I expect
>> them to be responsible for what they do with what they channel. And
>> the test of that, for me, is being able to explain what the meaning is
>> and to be able to live by what they channel. If they can't do that,
>> it's preaching with another layer of excuse, as far as I'm concerned.
>> Cable is filled with preachers, and I don't pay much attention to them
>> either. Translated, apply ACIM to Helen's life and see how she failed
>> to live what she promulgated on the rest of humanity, by her own
>> admission. By her example, our shared responsibility to each other is
>> erroded. I happen to value that shared responsibility as a core value ...
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