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Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:00
> There are the tangible statements by those who state "my life has changed
> miraculously," however this again has no measurable degree of accuracy.
It has, unless you say these people are probably lying.
A statement is based on evidence if it is true.
> This isn't to say I negate God's Will in the world, I simply have stated
> the
> obvious miracles, and witness of the Divine, simply doesn't occur any
> longer, except for excerpts that somehow never have any tangible evidence.
We have elephants painting their self portrait now :-)
If you are looking for spectacles, the Course
doesn't support this.
I witness to tangible and obvious miracles in my world.
It is magificent. And it involves all promised elements
the Course contains. If this wasn't occuring, i'd be done
with it.
You stopped with the Course the last time around.
What did you make it pick up again? Or, did you pick it up again?
namazt
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Author: JeanetteJeanette Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:03
George,
"We can only change ourselves. We can't change the world, we can't
change anyone else, as soon as we take complete responsibility for our
own actions and change into our true God given nature, the world will
change,"
I don't buy this, George. It hasn't worked. I first encountered it in 12
step alanon groups in my early 20s, later in Seth material, had the utter
pleasure of speaking with the infamous Penny North, et al, in CIS, and then
noted course students speaking this same jargon. To me it's an excuse, a
diversion, a denial, that the world can't change by doing anything other
than chanting and meditating.
Sure, we can change ourselves. Sure personal responsibility is important.
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Author: JeanetteJeanette Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:19
Gene,
"The atonement will eventually, but you are looking at it from the wrong
angle."
No I'm not Gene.
I'm looking at it from the angle of what has actually occurred in the world.
You are offering me isolated events by people. None of these events had a
major impact upon the world.
The pictures look a little hokey, BTW.
This is the evidence of war being ended, famine over, and economic
nightmares brought to light? You mean the only place Mother Mary saw fit to
show herself was in an obscure Church?
Are the ascended too busy to appear in Iraq and end the war just by the
Presence?
I certainly do not deny inner transformation, inner enlightenment, and
personal choices. What I am stating, Gene, is a few accounts of Visions of
Mary do not account for the lack of the Divine's direction intervention in
the world today.
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Author: JeanetteJeanette Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:27
maz,
"If you are looking for spectacles, the Course doesn't support this."
And I question this.
I think parting the seas was a fairly good spectacle. Why would grand change
in the world due to divine intervention now be disallowed?
Jesus even said we would do greater works than he. I have yet to encounter
one course student who is healing the sick, except for those who state their
stomach ache disappeared. Or the cancer went away. These are unexplainable
daily occurrences anyway. Replacing a missing limb would convince me, not
shadowy pictures of this, however.
And the study of the Course doesn't begin and end in my opinion. It's
principles are seen elsewhere. It's what you choose to do in your life that
truly matters, not if you are tied to any particularly daily study of
material or dogma. The Course rather stays with you, and you tend to
identify its contents elsewhere. It's not necessary to hold it in study day
and night for one's entire lifetime. I have been told I should not have an
opinion since I don't do the lessons, daily, anymore, as example, or don't
breathe the contents daily, but I do disagree.
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Author: CarrieCarrie Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:30
"Gene Ward Smith" chewbacca.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9A8F5B196D805genewardsmithsbcglob@207.115.33.102...
> "Jeanette" verizon.net> wrote in news:8zGRj.3335$WS1.1613
> @trndny04:
>
>> I feel if there are ascended masters they could do a lot more in
>> delivering
>> a message than an occasional document here and there.
>
> What makes you think they don't?
>
She's in direct contact with them (LOL)
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Author: georgegeorge Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:30
On Apr 29, 11:03Â am, "Jeanette" verizon.net> wrote:
> George,
>
> "We can only change ourselves. We can't change the world, we can't
> change anyone else, as soon as we take complete responsibility for our
> own actions and change into our true God given nature, the world will
> change,"
>
> I don't buy this, George. It hasn't worked.
How many people do you know actually try to look within themselves and
find their God given nature and try to become that? Or is it easier to
focus one's attention on the outside world that can't be controlled...
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:30
"Jeanette" verizon.net> wrote in news:GEJRj.264$1m3.144
@trndny02:
> I'm looking at it from the angle of what has actually occurred in the
world.
Which you don't know. That is, you merely assume that prayer does no good,
and base your conclusions on that. That isn't evidence.
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Author: Gene Ward SmithGene Ward Smith Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:32
"Jeanette" verizon.net> wrote in news:GEJRj.264$1m3.144
@trndny02:
> The spiritual line is: Choose to see the world differently. It's worked to
a
> certain degree, but not in anyway that has had any remarkable degree of
> change in the world.
Pure assumption on your part.
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Author: KatieKatie Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:37
"Gene Ward Smith" chewbacca.org> wrote in message
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> but you are looking at it from the wrong
> angle.
You being the World's Ultimate Authority on "correct angles" of course!
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Author: KatieKatie Date: Apr 29, 2008 11:43
"Gene Ward Smith" chewbacca.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9A8F74F9C347Egenewardsmithsbcglob@207.115.33.102...
> "Jeanette" verizon.net> wrote in news:GEJRj.264$1m3.144
> @trndny02:
>
>> I'm looking at it from the angle of what has actually occurred in the
> world.
>
> Which you don't know. That is, you merely assume that prayer does no good,
> and base your conclusions on that. That isn't evidence.
Cough, cough. I think you are the Master at Avoiding Evidence. You probably shouldn't have
embarked on a career as a "genius" without bothering yourself to at least be intelligent first.
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/msciprayer.html
Why don't you prove that prayer works and get up a prayer group to get rid of the Evil Katie? Oh
right, you've already tried that. What was the lame excuse for the failure again, I forget?
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