> On May 5, 3:15 pm, "m.a.z"
rocketmail.com> wrote:>>> On May 5, 1:37 pm, george
hotmail.com> wrote:>>>> On May 5, 11:25 am, Reality Scan
gmail.com> wrote:>>
>>>>> On May 5, 11:40 am, "Pieter" wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "Deborah"
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>>>>>> berichtnews:1cbs14d5fn29s2nf4vnq13cmh1jbhhbhdj@4ax.com...>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 23:36:49 +0200, "Pieter"
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>"Gene"
chewbacca.org> schreef in bericht
>>>>>>>>news:Xns9A94824BE7E9Egenewardsmithsbcglob@207.115.17.102...>>>>>>>>> The spiritual eye literally CANNOT SEE error, and merely
>>>>>>>>> looks for Atonement.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Atonement is for all, because it is the way to UNDO the
>>>>>>>>> belief that ANYTHING is for you ALONE. To forgive is to
>>>>>>>>> OVERLOOK. Look, then, BEYOND error, and do not let your
>>>>>>>>> perception rest UPON it, for you will believe what your
>>>>>>>>> perception HOLDS. Accept as true only what your brother IS,
>>>>>>>>> if you would know yourself.
>>
>>>>>>>>> The ego has a plan of forgiveness, because you are ASKING for
>>>>>>>>> one, but not of the right teacher. The EGO'S plan, of course,
>>>>>>>>> MAKES NO SENSE and WILL NOT WORK. By following it, you will
>>>>>>>>> merely place yourself in an impossible situation, to which
>>>>>>>>> the ego ALWAYS leads you. Its plan is to have you SEE ERROR
>>>>>>>>> CLEARLY FIRST, and THEN overlook it. But how CAN you overlook
>>>>>>>>> what you have made real? By seeing it clearly, you HAVE made
>>>>>>>>> it real, and CANNOT overlook it.
>>
>>>>>>>>Fresh air.
>>
>>>>>>> Trouble is, if you smelled something putrid in the atmosphere
>>>>>>> here,
>>>>>>> then you weren't applying the Holy Spirit's killfile. Don't get
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> wrong, I'm not suggesting it's easy to do.
>>
>>>>>> The point is: when I smell "something putrid
>>>>>> in the atmosphere here", then it is my own
>>>>>> ego, which I am busy to relinquish but did
>>>>>> not yet relinquish completely, that is irritated
>>>>>> by it. With the help of the Holy Spirit I can
>>>>>> relinquish this part of it, which means further
>>>>>> healing of my mind. The Holy Spirit can
>>>>>> remove from me only what I consciously
>>>>>> give to Him.
>>>>>> I agree that it's not always easy to do.
>>
>>>>>>> Deborah (BC)
>>
>>>>> Awe geez. Talk about intellectualizing course teachings!
>>
>>>>> The course is not asking you to eat a turd mistakenly placed on your
>>>>> dinner plate at a restaurant.
>>
>>>>> If you are saying the course is teaching you to eat the turd,
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> its only your faulty ego thinking which can't get a handle around
>>>>> basic course concepts which is convincing you to eat the turd.
>>
>>>>> Errors imply correction. Atonement or undoing, or the undoing of
>>>>> mental error is the correction though the miracle.
>>
>>>>> The dumb notion that mental errors are somehow corrected by
>>>>> overlooking errors, assumes first that a mind itself in error can
>>>>> recognize error, and then a mind in error can decide by its own
>>>>> effort
>>>>> to make what it actively believes "not real."
>>
>>>>> There is no reason to believe the healed or healing mind does not
>>>>> smell putrid, because the course tells us as the mind is healed it
>>>>> becomes increasing less tolerant and not LESS tolerant of errors.
>>>>> Moreover the author tells us to join his crusade to correct errors
>>>>> in
>>>>> ourselves and others.
>>
>>>>> So the question is how are errors which are always errors of
>>>>> thought --
>>>>> corrected?
>>
>>>>> Moreover, Atonement is collective and you do not see nor understand
>>>>> the larger picture. Its might seem to your ego reasoning that you
>>>>> can
>>>>> overlook putrid posting like mocking the Holy Spirit, while the
>>>>> larger
>>>>> picture may very well consider how such posting effects other
>>>>> brother
>>>>> more vulnerable you to written words.
>>
>>>>> So you don't know. In the process such dumb, highly abstract
>>>>> reasoning, out of full context is making a practical course, highly
>>>>> impractical, and little more than wishful thinking that if I close
>>>>> my
>>>>> eyes to error, error will go away.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> Hi John. I think we are in choice here again. Have you been following
>>>> what I've been saying in other threads that it is all a choice in how
>>>> something is percieved or do you think I'm crazy and that reality IS
>>>> reality and there is no choice?
>>
>>> Well what do you mean by this sloppy thinking? Are you saying you
>>> could choose to perceive a cardboard box as a spaceship and by this
>>> choice you and your neighbors could take a ride to the moon?
>>
>>> Moreover, a course basic is Reality is Reality and any choice you make
>>> doesn't effect Reality. That you think you can alter Reality by choice
>>> is the authority problem.
>>
>>> In addition, changing your perceptions/beliefs by your own efforts
>>> does not heal mental errors. If one is in closed system of systemic
>>> error, correction cannot be accomplished within that system, rather
>>> must be corrected from outside the system with an-out-of-the-system
>>> reference for reality and truth. Which is why errors of thought must
>>> be healed at the causal level by supplying the love the fear thoughts
>>> lack, which when accomplished shifts perception to love or a more
>>> loving perspective.
>>
>> If I understand George's testimony, this is exactly his experience,
>> even if attempts to sync descriptors with Jesus' in the Course
>> come a bit short wrt precision. Anyhow, your attempt to
>> magnify the importance of miracle mindedness contrasted
>> to plastic magic is noted and appreciated.
>>
>> maz
>
> Major and elementary error that the student is changing his perception
> by his own efforts and understanding of how the error is corrected.
>
> The course says we often over value our own contributions to healing
> the mind.
And also that we are used to asking too little,
and should get accustomed to think BIG ?
