> On May 5, 1:37 pm, george hotmail.com> wrote:

>> On May 5, 11:25 am, Reality Scan gmail.com> wrote:
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>>

>>> On May 5, 11:40 am, "Pieter" wrote:

>>

>>>> "Deborah" pumpetypump.com> schreef in
>>>> berichtnews:1cbs14d5fn29s2nf4vnq13cmh1jbhhbhdj@4ax.com...

>>

>>>>> On Sun, 4 May 2008 23:36:49 +0200, "Pieter"
>>>>> wrote:

>>

>>>>>>"Gene" chewbacca.org> schreef in bericht
>>>>>>news:Xns9A94824BE7E9Egenewardsmithsbcglob@207.115.17.102...

>>>>>>> The spiritual eye literally CANNOT SEE error, and merely
>>>>>>> looks for Atonement.

>>

>>>>>>> Atonement is for all, because it is the way to UNDO the
>>>>>>> belief that ANYTHING is for you ALONE. To forgive is to
>>>>>>> OVERLOOK. Look, then, BEYOND error, and do not let your
>>>>>>> perception rest UPON it, for you will believe what your
>>>>>>> perception HOLDS. Accept as true only what your brother IS,
>>>>>>> if you would know yourself.

>>

>>>>>>> The ego has a plan of forgiveness, because you are ASKING for
>>>>>>> one, but not of the right teacher. The EGO'S plan, of course,
>>>>>>> MAKES NO SENSE and WILL NOT WORK. By following it, you will
>>>>>>> merely place yourself in an impossible situation, to which
>>>>>>> the ego ALWAYS leads you. Its plan is to have you SEE ERROR
>>>>>>> CLEARLY FIRST, and THEN overlook it. But how CAN you overlook
>>>>>>> what you have made real? By seeing it clearly, you HAVE made
>>>>>>> it real, and CANNOT overlook it.

>>

>>>>>>Fresh air.

>>

>>>>> Trouble is, if you smelled something putrid in the atmosphere here,
>>>>> then you weren't applying the Holy Spirit's killfile. Don't get me
>>>>> wrong, I'm not suggesting it's easy to do.

>>

>>>> The point is: when I smell "something putrid
>>>> in the atmosphere here", then it is my own
>>>> ego, which I am busy to relinquish but did
>>>> not yet relinquish completely, that is irritated
>>>> by it. With the help of the Holy Spirit I can
>>>> relinquish this part of it, which means further
>>>> healing of my mind. The Holy Spirit can
>>>> remove from me only what I consciously
>>>> give to Him.
>>>> I agree that it's not always easy to do.

>>

>>>>> Deborah (BC)

>>

>>> Awe geez. Talk about intellectualizing course teachings!

>>

>>> The course is not asking you to eat a turd mistakenly placed on your
>>> dinner plate at a restaurant.

>>

>>> If you are saying the course is teaching you to eat the turd, perhaps
>>> its only your faulty ego thinking which can't get a handle around
>>> basic course concepts which is convincing you to eat the turd.

>>

>>> Errors imply correction. Atonement or undoing, or the undoing of
>>> mental error is the correction though the miracle.

>>

>>> The dumb notion that mental errors are somehow corrected by
>>> overlooking errors, assumes first that a mind itself in error can
>>> recognize error, and then a mind in error can decide by its own effort
>>> to make what it actively believes "not real."

>>

>>> There is no reason to believe the healed or healing mind does not
>>> smell putrid, because the course tells us as the mind is healed it
>>> becomes increasing less tolerant and not LESS tolerant of errors.
>>> Moreover the author tells us to join his crusade to correct errors in
>>> ourselves and others.

>>

>>> So the question is how are errors which are always errors of thought --
>>> corrected?

>>

>>> Moreover, Atonement is collective and you do not see nor understand
>>> the larger picture. Its might seem to your ego reasoning that you can
>>> overlook putrid posting like mocking the Holy Spirit, while the larger
>>> picture may very well consider how such posting effects other brother
>>> more vulnerable you to written words.

>>

>>> So you don't know. In the process such dumb, highly abstract
>>> reasoning, out of full context is making a practical course, highly
>>> impractical, and little more than wishful thinking that if I close my
>>> eyes to error, error will go away.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>> Hi John. I think we are in choice here again. Have you been following
>> what I've been saying in other threads that it is all a choice in how
>> something is percieved or do you think I'm crazy and that reality IS
>> reality and there is no choice?

>
> Well what do you mean by this sloppy thinking? Are you saying you
> could choose to perceive a cardboard box as a spaceship and by this
> choice you and your neighbors could take a ride to the moon?
>
> Moreover, a course basic is Reality is Reality and any choice you make
> doesn't effect Reality. That you think you can alter Reality by choice
> is the authority problem.
>
> In addition, changing your perceptions/beliefs by your own efforts
> does not heal mental errors. If one is in closed system of systemic
> error, correction cannot be accomplished within that system, rather
> must be corrected from outside the system with an-out-of-the-system
> reference for reality and truth. Which is why errors of thought must
> be healed at the causal level by supplying the love the fear thoughts
> lack, which when accomplished shifts perception to love or a more
> loving perspective.
>

> If you change perception without the mental error being healed,
> perception because it changes, can change again. Hence no healing for
> various reasons.
>
> The main question and most important answer in A Course in Miracles,
> is if mental errors can be effectively healed, and if they can be
> healed, how specifically is this done.